1 00:00:03,090 --> 00:00:25,990 [Music] 2 00:00:41,229 --> 00:00:36,110 this explains comment down up never 3 00:00:46,020 --> 00:00:41,239 laugh but you shoes yet you shoot 4 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:46,030 illustrators you pump beat in the way 5 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:51,050 grantee to till the ground please rupees 6 00:01:06,850 --> 00:00:55,730 falls to the roadway come on 7 00:01:11,450 --> 00:01:06,860 [Music] 8 00:01:21,590 --> 00:01:11,460 if the note that seal loves to antics is 9 00:01:24,620 --> 00:01:21,600 you just my man Spivey killing it 10 00:01:29,050 --> 00:01:24,630 he's just killing it murdering it if you 11 00:01:32,180 --> 00:01:29,060 guys have not partaken of Spivey music 12 00:01:39,050 --> 00:01:32,190 definitely check it out multi-talented 13 00:01:41,870 --> 00:01:39,060 artist and they don't get much better 14 00:01:46,249 --> 00:01:41,880 than Ryan Spivey so definitely support 15 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:46,259 Spivey music today we have a bang-up 16 00:01:52,700 --> 00:01:49,050 show this is gonna be crazy we have J 17 00:01:55,130 --> 00:01:52,710 Matthews he's a UFO researcher and 18 00:01:59,810 --> 00:01:55,140 blogger from Chester North West England 19 00:02:01,520 --> 00:01:59,820 who now lives in North Wales and he's 20 00:02:02,559 --> 00:02:01,530 almost had a fascination with the 21 00:02:07,309 --> 00:02:02,569 paranormal 22 00:02:11,029 --> 00:02:07,319 ufology which started with a sighting he 23 00:02:14,059 --> 00:02:11,039 had as a 14 year old boy and since then 24 00:02:17,059 --> 00:02:14,069 he searched for answers which have led 25 00:02:21,890 --> 00:02:17,069 him down a rabbit hole of this 26 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:21,900 misunderstood subject he now runs a 27 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:24,690 successful page on social media that's 28 00:02:31,699 --> 00:02:26,850 where I found him which is dedicated to 29 00:02:33,770 --> 00:02:31,709 helping to find those very answers Jay 30 00:02:37,730 --> 00:02:33,780 Matthews ladies and gentlemen we're 31 00:02:41,420 --> 00:02:37,740 gonna we're gonna go everywhere we can I 32 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:41,430 think Jay and Ryan are gonna have a good 33 00:02:46,510 --> 00:02:45,810 mighty good old time and I'm super 34 00:02:51,620 --> 00:02:46,520 excited 35 00:02:54,890 --> 00:02:51,630 so stop over to hero paranormal check it 36 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:54,900 out go to hero paranormal pod bean calm 37 00:02:59,000 --> 00:02:57,090 you know I don't care what you do just 38 00:03:01,610 --> 00:02:59,010 listen to future episodes keep in touch 39 00:03:03,830 --> 00:03:01,620 with us and with no further ado Jay 40 00:03:10,700 --> 00:03:03,840 Matthews welcome to the hero paranormal 41 00:03:11,700 --> 00:03:10,710 podcast oh man we've tried so hard for 42 00:03:19,050 --> 00:03:11,710 this one if 43 00:03:22,020 --> 00:03:19,060 people only knew it's like everything 44 00:03:25,890 --> 00:03:22,030 was working against us it was Murphy's 45 00:03:34,820 --> 00:03:25,900 Law times ten and we just stayed the 46 00:03:42,530 --> 00:03:39,180 well yeah I wanted to get into gosh I 47 00:03:45,870 --> 00:03:42,540 I've been seeing some of the YouTube 48 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:45,880 videos online and you're in them some 49 00:03:49,860 --> 00:03:47,970 beautiful scenery in the background I 50 00:03:53,700 --> 00:03:49,870 wanted to get into some of your 51 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:53,710 sightings not just the most recent but 52 00:03:58,650 --> 00:03:55,450 also some of the early ones when you 53 00:04:00,960 --> 00:03:58,660 were a boy and I guess what direction 54 00:04:16,110 --> 00:04:00,970 should we stars we start with the early 55 00:04:19,410 --> 00:04:16,120 ones or the game question I was made to 56 00:04:21,750 --> 00:04:19,420 go to Sunday school every Sunday it was 57 00:04:23,550 --> 00:04:21,760 always sort of drilled into me that 58 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:23,560 there was something else out there so 59 00:04:29,510 --> 00:04:26,530 you know I don't know if that set the 60 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:29,520 tone for me being inquisitive to 61 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:33,450 anything to do the paranormal war UFOs 62 00:04:39,540 --> 00:04:37,210 but it goes back to my mother's 63 00:04:42,300 --> 00:04:39,550 childhood actually where my mom's are 64 00:04:44,250 --> 00:04:42,310 kidney patients and she has dialysis a 65 00:04:47,670 --> 00:04:44,260 few times a week to make sure her 66 00:04:49,820 --> 00:04:47,680 kidneys still function and literally as 67 00:04:52,050 --> 00:04:49,830 a child she was given overnight to live 68 00:04:54,570 --> 00:04:52,060 they didn't think she was going to make 69 00:04:58,590 --> 00:04:54,580 it was working pretty bleak now she 70 00:05:01,130 --> 00:04:58,600 swears for this day that she woke and 71 00:05:03,540 --> 00:05:01,140 saw an angel stood by her bedside 72 00:05:05,970 --> 00:05:03,550 obviously my mom went on to make a 73 00:05:11,190 --> 00:05:05,980 recovery somewhat you know she was able 74 00:05:14,340 --> 00:05:11,200 to birth me so in a nutshell my my child 75 00:05:17,010 --> 00:05:14,350 has always been kind of I don't know so 76 00:05:18,450 --> 00:05:17,020 regimented but you know I was always 77 00:05:24,670 --> 00:05:18,460 made to believe that there's something 78 00:05:27,820 --> 00:05:24,680 else above us higher than us so when 79 00:05:30,310 --> 00:05:27,830 story short you know as a young kid I've 80 00:05:33,219 --> 00:05:30,320 accordingly went to Sunday school every 81 00:05:37,590 --> 00:05:33,229 Sunday and you know said my prayers and 82 00:05:43,300 --> 00:05:37,600 everything else and I got to the age of 83 00:05:45,460 --> 00:05:43,310 14 and my father passed away probably 84 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:45,470 about six six six to eight months prior 85 00:05:52,510 --> 00:05:49,690 I moved into my father's old bedroom 86 00:05:58,180 --> 00:05:52,520 more for comfort reasons more than 87 00:06:02,350 --> 00:05:58,190 anything else and I can only describe 88 00:06:05,589 --> 00:06:02,360 this as how I remember it because 89 00:06:09,939 --> 00:06:05,599 obviously you talking over 20 years ago 90 00:06:13,990 --> 00:06:09,949 but I remember being in bed and then I 91 00:06:17,379 --> 00:06:14,000 woke to found this bright light in the 92 00:06:19,930 --> 00:06:17,389 room which was like when you have a 93 00:06:22,270 --> 00:06:19,940 thunder and lightning storm lightning 94 00:06:24,670 --> 00:06:22,280 strikes nearby and it illuminates earth 95 00:06:27,730 --> 00:06:24,680 and in the bedroom and this might woke 96 00:06:31,659 --> 00:06:27,740 me up I went to we had a big bay window 97 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:31,669 at the back of the house and sort of 98 00:06:36,250 --> 00:06:34,010 rubbed me eyes got off and water the 99 00:06:40,420 --> 00:06:36,260 window expectancy you know the police 100 00:06:43,510 --> 00:06:40,430 helicopter and you know looking someone 101 00:06:45,820 --> 00:06:43,520 with the searchlight on so I've gone up 102 00:06:48,339 --> 00:06:45,830 to the window bit this light is 103 00:06:50,980 --> 00:06:48,349 absolutely blinded and it illuminated 104 00:06:54,670 --> 00:06:50,990 everything in my back yard and the 105 00:06:56,649 --> 00:06:54,680 neighbor's backyard and I couldn't see 106 00:06:58,600 --> 00:06:56,659 in the cynical boughs you know looking 107 00:07:00,850 --> 00:06:58,610 for the window and looking up and you 108 00:07:04,149 --> 00:07:00,860 can just see that this crazy light come 109 00:07:07,300 --> 00:07:04,159 from the sky so I hope you the idea and 110 00:07:09,399 --> 00:07:07,310 I dunno why did this well I opened the 111 00:07:11,770 --> 00:07:09,409 window I sort of stuck my head out the 112 00:07:15,129 --> 00:07:11,780 window and passed there was trying to 113 00:07:17,649 --> 00:07:15,139 look past the eaves and the house and I 114 00:07:22,180 --> 00:07:17,659 could see it was like straight outline 115 00:07:24,550 --> 00:07:22,190 but it's huge and literally I'm looking 116 00:07:27,010 --> 00:07:24,560 at this outline trying to make out what 117 00:07:31,029 --> 00:07:27,020 it is there's no Sam and completely 118 00:07:34,089 --> 00:07:31,039 silent and and what I remember is 119 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:34,099 everything was evenly silent because 120 00:07:38,439 --> 00:07:37,610 this would have been about 3:30 4:00 121 00:07:42,279 --> 00:07:38,449 a.m. in the more 122 00:07:45,249 --> 00:07:42,289 then just before dawn broke and there 123 00:07:47,730 --> 00:07:45,259 was no bird thing in which they were 124 00:07:52,420 --> 00:07:47,740 usually I saw that time in the morning 125 00:07:55,839 --> 00:07:52,430 so basically I heard a loud bang behind 126 00:07:56,170 --> 00:07:55,849 me and you know which made me jump you 127 00:07:58,510 --> 00:07:56,180 know 128 00:08:00,309 --> 00:07:58,520 startled turn round turned back around 129 00:08:03,429 --> 00:08:00,319 to the window and whatever it was was 130 00:08:05,499 --> 00:08:03,439 gone tell my grandmother about exes were 131 00:08:09,790 --> 00:08:05,509 grandmother's hamster was loving it my 132 00:08:12,670 --> 00:08:09,800 grandmother sort of rubbish the idea 133 00:08:17,589 --> 00:08:12,680 that it was anything strange or untoward 134 00:08:19,390 --> 00:08:17,599 and because I I think even mentioned to 135 00:08:22,119 --> 00:08:19,400 you know something about long lines of 136 00:08:24,579 --> 00:08:22,129 it bidding us out because there was 137 00:08:29,829 --> 00:08:24,589 nothing like it ever seen before in what 138 00:08:32,259 --> 00:08:29,839 you remember in 1994 rather been yet 14 139 00:08:35,370 --> 00:08:32,269 so there was no internet back then and 140 00:08:39,969 --> 00:08:35,380 there wasn't many books on the subject 141 00:08:43,329 --> 00:08:39,979 at least not that I read at the time so 142 00:08:44,680 --> 00:08:43,339 when when school and you know it wasn't 143 00:08:46,900 --> 00:08:44,690 the kind of thing that you spoke about 144 00:08:50,530 --> 00:08:46,910 at school with your friends because you 145 00:08:52,329 --> 00:08:50,540 know there was a lot of ridicule you 146 00:08:55,090 --> 00:08:52,339 know people would kind of take the 147 00:08:59,019 --> 00:08:55,100 mickey and you know it wasn't something 148 00:09:02,379 --> 00:08:59,029 you spoke about my best friend a guy 149 00:09:05,949 --> 00:09:02,389 called Lee lived about two streets 150 00:09:10,750 --> 00:09:05,959 behind the house and he said he woke 151 00:09:14,199 --> 00:09:10,760 early in the morning and then went to 152 00:09:16,329 --> 00:09:14,209 his window to look out so then he says 153 00:09:18,970 --> 00:09:16,339 to this day he doesn't know what made 154 00:09:21,879 --> 00:09:18,980 him go to the window he said he went to 155 00:09:23,829 --> 00:09:21,889 the window he see this light and he was 156 00:09:26,829 --> 00:09:23,839 immediately drawn to it and over my 157 00:09:28,809 --> 00:09:26,839 house was this huge triangular craft and 158 00:09:32,129 --> 00:09:28,819 he said it was it was black 159 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:32,139 you know because bearing in mind this is 160 00:09:39,309 --> 00:09:35,930 say our three four o'clock so you know 161 00:09:41,199 --> 00:09:39,319 the sky is starting to go mightor and he 162 00:09:44,050 --> 00:09:41,209 said this thing was as black as black 163 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:44,060 you could see there was just this light 164 00:09:51,970 --> 00:09:48,050 from what I presume was the center and 165 00:09:54,910 --> 00:09:51,980 it was over the house so 166 00:09:57,910 --> 00:09:54,920 and I'll pop that to the back of my mind 167 00:10:00,280 --> 00:09:57,920 as you do really these things kind of 168 00:10:03,100 --> 00:10:00,290 scare you when you're a kid in you know 169 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:03,110 I've seen the movies aliened and you 170 00:10:12,340 --> 00:10:07,490 know everything else and then I decided 171 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:12,350 not to provoke it and then you had some 172 00:10:18,460 --> 00:10:15,050 strange paranormal goings-on and 173 00:10:24,370 --> 00:10:18,470 thereafter where and moved back to my 174 00:10:27,100 --> 00:10:24,380 parents house and without things like be 175 00:10:29,260 --> 00:10:27,110 strangely instances laughter now I get 176 00:10:31,390 --> 00:10:29,270 in trouble for them and they'd be like 177 00:10:33,670 --> 00:10:31,400 before I went to bed would be like 178 00:10:34,740 --> 00:10:33,680 shampoo warm up the walls in the 179 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:34,750 bathroom 180 00:10:41,140 --> 00:10:38,450 you know like shenanigans going on if 181 00:10:43,420 --> 00:10:41,150 you will and of course like you know my 182 00:10:45,850 --> 00:10:43,430 parents were like well you know you set 183 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:45,860 that doesn't film this you know my mom 184 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:48,290 saying she hasn't done it felt like me I 185 00:10:54,100 --> 00:10:50,330 used to get punished for these things 186 00:10:57,470 --> 00:10:54,110 and they're you know done AG you kind of 187 00:10:58,920 --> 00:10:57,480 thinking it was stepped up doing this is 188 00:11:03,010 --> 00:10:58,930 [Music] 189 00:11:05,230 --> 00:11:03,020 you know is the more to this so this 190 00:11:07,390 --> 00:11:05,240 this went on for a number of years and 191 00:11:09,730 --> 00:11:07,400 you know through that I sort of got 192 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:09,740 labeled as a blacks watching and the 193 00:11:19,030 --> 00:11:14,570 family it's only now and a lot back and 194 00:11:25,620 --> 00:11:19,040 all of this that you start to notice all 195 00:11:33,130 --> 00:11:29,740 we get to we get to I'm probably about 196 00:11:36,340 --> 00:11:33,140 20 21 and obviously you got the Internet 197 00:11:39,250 --> 00:11:36,350 then I started looking into a lot of UFO 198 00:11:41,650 --> 00:11:39,260 sightings and that any of the sightings 199 00:11:44,980 --> 00:11:41,660 you know after that first one that was 200 00:11:49,570 --> 00:11:44,990 40 started looking into UFO sightings 201 00:11:53,020 --> 00:11:49,580 and more the wanted answers and then you 202 00:11:57,070 --> 00:11:53,030 know I've seen these videos the Belgium 203 00:12:00,850 --> 00:11:57,080 UFO flap with the triangular craft that 204 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:00,860 was spotted there was a several local 205 00:12:05,660 --> 00:12:03,770 videos and obviously now you know people 206 00:12:10,580 --> 00:12:05,670 say that tr-3b 207 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:10,590 or the Astra crafts and they're ours but 208 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:16,410 some dispute about that so yeah 209 00:12:23,590 --> 00:12:21,210 basically all these strange accounts 210 00:12:30,650 --> 00:12:23,600 that I've kind of gone through my 211 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:30,660 teenage years a talk made me curious so 212 00:12:36,850 --> 00:12:34,610 I was searching for stuff online and 213 00:12:40,100 --> 00:12:36,860 obviously came across all the mainstream 214 00:12:44,390 --> 00:12:40,110 stories like Roswell and some of the 215 00:12:46,310 --> 00:12:44,400 bigger known stories and this really 216 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:46,320 sort of piqued my interest because I 217 00:12:53,350 --> 00:12:49,410 didn't know to this degree that there 218 00:12:55,940 --> 00:12:53,360 was this level of information out there 219 00:12:58,820 --> 00:12:55,950 you know my brother he books I think I'd 220 00:13:01,940 --> 00:12:58,830 read Timothy gods box around that time 221 00:13:04,730 --> 00:13:01,950 and but other than that you know nothing 222 00:13:08,990 --> 00:13:04,740 was forthcoming and I wanted to know 223 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:09,000 more and you know maybe provoked by what 224 00:13:16,930 --> 00:13:13,290 I'd seen as a teenager and you know it 225 00:13:19,340 --> 00:13:16,940 sort of had my curiosity there and then 226 00:13:23,930 --> 00:13:19,350 so I decided to look into this a little 227 00:13:26,390 --> 00:13:23,940 bit more and you know to see thousands 228 00:13:30,350 --> 00:13:26,400 I'd seen a few things in the sky which I 229 00:13:32,300 --> 00:13:30,360 can explain and again you know the 230 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:32,310 thirst for knowledge and to find out 231 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:34,170 what these things are leads you back to 232 00:13:38,090 --> 00:13:35,730 the internet you know you do some 233 00:13:41,870 --> 00:13:38,100 research you look at bunch of YouTube 234 00:13:45,650 --> 00:13:41,880 videos and this got me to the point 235 00:13:46,700 --> 00:13:45,660 where I decided to create a Facebook 236 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:46,710 page called 237 00:13:54,740 --> 00:13:50,730 ufology UK and I say like Batman you 238 00:13:57,290 --> 00:13:54,750 know all I really knew was you know all 239 00:13:59,390 --> 00:13:57,300 the mainstream stories that you see on 240 00:14:04,700 --> 00:13:59,400 the History Channel and on these TV 241 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:04,710 shows I'm really locked into any of the 242 00:14:08,990 --> 00:14:06,810 other sightings but wasn't a great deal 243 00:14:13,100 --> 00:14:09,000 out there at the time it was kind of 244 00:14:17,060 --> 00:14:13,110 sort of regurgitated same stories and 245 00:14:19,500 --> 00:14:17,070 different opinions and whatnot and so I 246 00:14:23,579 --> 00:14:19,510 started the website and then 247 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:23,589 as you know you know once you delve down 248 00:14:27,990 --> 00:14:26,290 the rabbit hole there's coming no going 249 00:14:31,829 --> 00:14:28,000 back and as I started to learn more 250 00:14:34,019 --> 00:14:31,839 about this subject and I aspired to have 251 00:14:37,379 --> 00:14:34,029 encounters revoir can only describe 252 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:37,389 those shadow entities I've moved back 253 00:14:44,699 --> 00:14:41,290 from London and either been twenty nine 254 00:14:50,250 --> 00:14:44,709 thirty years of age and member for 255 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:50,260 London from parents house then I went in 256 00:14:55,579 --> 00:14:52,930 the middle of the night out of roll over 257 00:14:59,069 --> 00:14:55,589 in bed and I'd see these very tall 258 00:15:00,960 --> 00:14:59,079 faceless watch shadows below my bed I'd 259 00:15:02,850 --> 00:15:00,970 always be gasping for air like I was 260 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:02,860 having a panic attack now I've never 261 00:15:09,689 --> 00:15:06,850 suffered a panic attack lucid and so I 262 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:09,699 have nothing to compare this to 263 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:13,570 and these things are terrifying 264 00:15:18,180 --> 00:15:16,690 and I can make out you know of a fairly 265 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:18,190 chilled it was in the bad dream when the 266 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:21,490 tea these things and and then literally 267 00:15:27,420 --> 00:15:24,850 it stopped wake up next more than kind 268 00:15:29,579 --> 00:15:27,430 of confused and you know did a Google 269 00:15:33,329 --> 00:15:29,589 search that came up you know a bunch of 270 00:15:35,759 --> 00:15:33,339 things like sleep paralysis and you know 271 00:15:39,660 --> 00:15:35,769 various medications can induce these 272 00:15:42,269 --> 00:15:39,670 things and a friend sent me and I think 273 00:15:44,699 --> 00:15:42,279 it was a coast-to-coast interview I am 274 00:15:49,220 --> 00:15:44,709 where are the late art Ballard on their 275 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:49,230 a show talking about shadow entities 276 00:15:54,750 --> 00:15:51,970 so I've listened to this show and I 277 00:15:56,340 --> 00:15:54,760 cannot start to discover that there's a 278 00:16:01,800 --> 00:15:56,350 lot of people out there that about these 279 00:16:04,829 --> 00:16:01,810 experiences and these instances would 280 00:16:06,569 --> 00:16:04,839 happen almost nightly and I got to the 281 00:16:12,090 --> 00:16:06,579 point where I was kind of scared to go 282 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:12,100 to sleep and then they got worse in 283 00:16:16,710 --> 00:16:13,810 nature like that there's a couple of 284 00:16:17,340 --> 00:16:16,720 instances where I've ever do they ripped 285 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:17,350 from me 286 00:16:22,730 --> 00:16:19,690 and I guess I'd wrap myself in the do 287 00:16:27,030 --> 00:16:22,740 they say I guess some kind of security 288 00:16:30,569 --> 00:16:27,040 or to feel safe and you know we I do 289 00:16:33,330 --> 00:16:30,579 after state that all the ex-girlfriend 290 00:16:35,820 --> 00:16:33,340 said a dancer mostly and well 291 00:16:39,740 --> 00:16:35,830 obviously I stay compliant to once but I 292 00:16:42,780 --> 00:16:39,750 don't roll around or not restless and 293 00:16:44,850 --> 00:16:42,790 well I went to find this you know I'd 294 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:44,860 feel the sensation of the Dubey being 295 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:48,370 ripped from me by these tall shadow 296 00:16:53,340 --> 00:16:51,370 figures I wake up them that do they 297 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:53,350 covered me down the end of the bed and 298 00:16:59,400 --> 00:16:55,930 the real instance where I felt like I 299 00:17:01,290 --> 00:16:59,410 was pulled from the bed and I woke my my 300 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:01,300 head was about three feet away from 301 00:17:05,900 --> 00:17:03,250 where my pillows where my legs are 302 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:05,910 hanging over the side of the bed and 303 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:12,730 then again you know um you know scared 304 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:15,730 the hell out of me and shortly after I 305 00:17:23,930 --> 00:17:19,650 moved in with my then-girlfriend choir 306 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:23,940 and we moved to a house in Wrexham and 307 00:17:30,060 --> 00:17:26,770 you know everything was going well she 308 00:17:32,070 --> 00:17:30,070 knew about me interest in UFOs I was 309 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:32,080 doing more and more research and looking 310 00:17:38,340 --> 00:17:34,450 into a lot you know a lot of these 311 00:17:41,340 --> 00:17:38,350 subjects a lot more closely and then 312 00:17:45,690 --> 00:17:41,350 these experiences have been shadow 313 00:17:48,570 --> 00:17:45,700 beings followed me and you know she'd 314 00:17:51,780 --> 00:17:48,580 say I used to wake up and I've been sort 315 00:17:54,390 --> 00:17:51,790 of screaming in my sleep and I always 316 00:17:57,570 --> 00:17:54,400 thought you know I always felt like was 317 00:18:01,350 --> 00:17:57,580 paralyzed in fear I couldn't do anything 318 00:18:03,150 --> 00:18:01,360 about these beings being there I don't 319 00:18:07,220 --> 00:18:03,160 know what they were doing and they were 320 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:07,230 always sort of crouched over my bad and 321 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:13,210 so anyway I wake one day and my 322 00:18:17,490 --> 00:18:15,010 ex-girlfriend and your life of their 323 00:18:21,390 --> 00:18:17,500 shinchon shiromar that the scratch marks 324 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:21,400 on my back and she saw the joke that you 325 00:18:26,220 --> 00:18:23,050 know I've been playing away with another 326 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:26,230 woman and you know you're always all the 327 00:18:31,740 --> 00:18:29,130 jokes came out in regards for that and 328 00:18:35,220 --> 00:18:31,750 I've become friends with a guy called 329 00:18:40,650 --> 00:18:35,230 Jason Graves who's a really good image 330 00:18:43,140 --> 00:18:40,660 analyst and things at once UFOs and he'd 331 00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:43,150 give me a ultraviolet talk shortly 332 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:47,200 before this happened and he'd always 333 00:18:52,500 --> 00:18:48,730 you know sort of said that outdoor 334 00:18:54,060 --> 00:18:52,510 teaser marked and they're taken a lot of 335 00:18:57,060 --> 00:18:54,070 things aren't seen with the naked eye 336 00:18:58,620 --> 00:18:57,070 you shining UV torch on them and it will 337 00:19:02,580 --> 00:18:58,630 show a lot of things that you can't 338 00:19:05,490 --> 00:19:02,590 necessarily see so I told them about 339 00:19:07,230 --> 00:19:05,500 these scratch marks and at the time he 340 00:19:10,139 --> 00:19:07,240 was the only person I told about it 341 00:19:12,930 --> 00:19:10,149 because you know who to tell this sort 342 00:19:17,850 --> 00:19:12,940 of thing to about him yeah looking like 343 00:19:20,940 --> 00:19:17,860 you like me going crazy so he advised me 344 00:19:23,970 --> 00:19:20,950 to go into a dark room and shiny Evie 345 00:19:28,500 --> 00:19:23,980 torch on my back and get quiet take some 346 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:28,510 pictures and send them to him and there 347 00:19:35,250 --> 00:19:33,250 what appeared was it almost looked like 348 00:19:37,500 --> 00:19:35,260 I've been branded on the back end and 349 00:19:41,730 --> 00:19:37,510 then the pictures are on my facebook you 350 00:19:44,610 --> 00:19:41,740 might have seen the riot and I literally 351 00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:44,620 only got there the photos back recently 352 00:19:49,919 --> 00:19:46,510 because they weren't missing for a 353 00:19:52,919 --> 00:19:49,929 number of years but those people have 354 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:52,929 said it looks like a word fine and some 355 00:19:57,509 --> 00:19:54,970 people said it looks like there's 356 00:20:00,440 --> 00:19:57,519 numbers and because you can make out 357 00:20:05,730 --> 00:20:00,450 what looks like a two in the one and 358 00:20:08,909 --> 00:20:05,740 again I I don't know what this means it 359 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:08,919 has no relevance or significance to me 360 00:20:13,340 --> 00:20:10,690 at this point of my life 361 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:13,350 you know needless to say there's nearly 362 00:20:20,810 --> 00:20:16,690 pretty much scared me off looking into 363 00:20:23,610 --> 00:20:20,820 this subject further the mother dead and 364 00:20:28,259 --> 00:20:23,620 anyways me and Jason went to this UFO 365 00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:28,269 convention and live in st. Anne's the 366 00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:30,880 one the stinkers was staying at the 367 00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:36,960 hotel was sustaining and I immediately 368 00:20:44,759 --> 00:20:41,919 bar area up and a few drinks and for 369 00:20:47,399 --> 00:20:44,769 some reason something sparing me to go 370 00:20:50,399 --> 00:20:47,409 and listen to this guy you have to take 371 00:20:51,779 --> 00:20:50,409 all of about 14 people around there and 372 00:20:52,659 --> 00:20:51,789 they're all telling them about their 373 00:20:55,299 --> 00:20:52,669 experience 374 00:20:58,599 --> 00:20:55,309 you know like I saw the sat patiently 375 00:21:01,989 --> 00:20:58,609 and listened and when the time was right 376 00:21:04,930 --> 00:21:01,999 outside speak up because you know I 377 00:21:06,340 --> 00:21:04,940 wanted answers about all this weird 378 00:21:10,180 --> 00:21:06,350 stuff that I've been going on in my life 379 00:21:12,999 --> 00:21:10,190 so called long story short I spoke to 380 00:21:17,310 --> 00:21:13,009 him about him and he said it was a very 381 00:21:20,649 --> 00:21:17,320 real phenomenon and he also told me that 382 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:20,659 these things feed off fear they're 383 00:21:27,249 --> 00:21:25,369 almost parasitic in nature and he 384 00:21:31,090 --> 00:21:27,259 advised me to use like passive call a 385 00:21:35,049 --> 00:21:31,100 night light you know I've been using 386 00:21:39,930 --> 00:21:35,059 that ever since and he did sort of go on 387 00:21:43,629 --> 00:21:39,940 to say that you know I was protected and 388 00:21:48,039 --> 00:21:43,639 these experiences would pretty much stop 389 00:21:50,139 --> 00:21:48,049 overnight and he did so I returned how 390 00:21:52,509 --> 00:21:50,149 he was kind of happy that you know all 391 00:21:57,609 --> 00:21:52,519 these experiences and stopped now to be 392 00:21:59,849 --> 00:21:57,619 shadow games and but this is where the 393 00:22:02,769 --> 00:21:59,859 sightings got a lot more frequent and 394 00:22:05,109 --> 00:22:02,779 then he said to me one of the strange 395 00:22:07,180 --> 00:22:05,119 things inside and I've kind of almost 396 00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:07,190 took his comment tongue-in-cheek 397 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:09,440 as you do when you meet some of these 398 00:22:13,450 --> 00:22:11,690 people I mean Chad you know are speaking 399 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:13,460 to me one of the things that will happen 400 00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:17,330 to you is you'll learn see a lot more 401 00:22:24,820 --> 00:22:21,679 UFOs and you know the rate you seeing on 402 00:22:27,789 --> 00:22:24,830 this it's going to be pretty full-on and 403 00:22:30,279 --> 00:22:27,799 you know you can't take me in to comment 404 00:22:32,919 --> 00:22:30,289 tumbled and you know you go away with 405 00:22:37,479 --> 00:22:32,929 them and you think so nothing more about 406 00:22:40,180 --> 00:22:37,489 it as I say a1 back home and my 407 00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:40,190 ex-girlfriend she she was aware of my 408 00:22:47,919 --> 00:22:44,960 fascination and into the subject but she 409 00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:47,929 didn't want to understand it and if I'm 410 00:22:54,999 --> 00:22:51,529 honest the subject and obviously when 411 00:22:57,460 --> 00:22:55,009 you go deeper into some of the issues 412 00:23:00,879 --> 00:22:57,470 that present themselves she didn't want 413 00:23:04,389 --> 00:23:00,889 to know and you know it scared her so 414 00:23:06,250 --> 00:23:04,399 we're still looking out of our bedroom 415 00:23:10,180 --> 00:23:06,260 window one evening and they 416 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:10,190 there's a beautiful clear sky and where 417 00:23:15,910 --> 00:23:13,010 we lived in Wales and overlocked a place 418 00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:15,920 called worlds and there's like a lot 419 00:23:22,090 --> 00:23:19,520 more London you know there's like always 420 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:22,100 hilly areas if you'll imagine in Wales 421 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:24,650 and it's pretty desolate and pretty 422 00:23:32,620 --> 00:23:28,730 remote somewhere and I turn round to her 423 00:23:35,050 --> 00:23:32,630 and I said you know because I had I 424 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:35,060 think she probably believed a lot of 425 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:38,330 this stuff but I'd said the sightings 426 00:23:43,180 --> 00:23:40,850 that I'd had one of the team or you know 427 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:43,190 it's one of them unless people see it 428 00:23:46,900 --> 00:23:45,530 with their own eyes they they can't 429 00:23:47,610 --> 00:23:46,910 probably understand what you're going 430 00:23:51,250 --> 00:23:47,620 through 431 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:51,260 so I calmed him to her as we're looking 432 00:23:56,380 --> 00:23:53,090 out this window and I said I would 433 00:23:59,770 --> 00:23:56,390 absolutely love it if you would see 434 00:24:02,260 --> 00:23:59,780 something right now that would appear to 435 00:24:05,980 --> 00:24:02,270 you that you could have absolutely no 436 00:24:08,590 --> 00:24:05,990 explanation for I literally and I'm 437 00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:08,600 talking seconds like well looking out 438 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:11,360 this window looking at the night sky in 439 00:24:17,610 --> 00:24:14,290 the stars and Venus and whatnot and this 440 00:24:22,270 --> 00:24:17,620 starlight object appears in the sky 441 00:24:25,540 --> 00:24:22,280 really bright the brightest white I've 442 00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:25,550 probably ever seen and this thing starts 443 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:29,840 moving towards the house so we kind of 444 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:31,370 look at each other she's you know 445 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:34,490 picking a jar of pasta floor and I run 446 00:24:38,590 --> 00:24:36,410 downstairs and I run into the back 447 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:38,600 garden and by the time I've gone to the 448 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:40,250 back guard next things literally going 449 00:24:46,990 --> 00:24:43,570 over the house now you know we've got 450 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:47,000 Liverpool Airport is you know in our 451 00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:49,970 flight path and we've also got an air 452 00:24:55,030 --> 00:24:53,120 box Factory which is pretty close by so 453 00:24:57,610 --> 00:24:55,040 we're used to seeing you know all kinds 454 00:25:01,240 --> 00:24:57,620 of aircraft going over and also our flb 455 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:01,250 isn't too far away so this wasn't a 456 00:25:07,450 --> 00:25:03,770 plane and saying this thing was flying 457 00:25:13,330 --> 00:25:07,460 silently and I can only say it was like 458 00:25:16,030 --> 00:25:13,340 a beach ball sized orb this brilliant 459 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:16,040 white and it just wink silently over the 460 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:20,330 house and from there on in you know 461 00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:23,330 I became known as their the u.s. own 462 00:25:31,030 --> 00:25:28,510 guardian of the weird guy literally 463 00:25:34,090 --> 00:25:31,040 pretty much every time I would go 464 00:25:36,430 --> 00:25:34,100 outside - at the time I you know was 465 00:25:37,870 --> 00:25:36,440 smoke cigarettes I'd go outside of the 466 00:25:41,470 --> 00:25:37,880 cigarette in the back garden of an 467 00:25:44,170 --> 00:25:41,480 evening and we'd see these billion old 468 00:25:49,060 --> 00:25:44,180 swine over and those people there with 469 00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:49,070 me who weren't believers of UFOs or a 470 00:25:59,070 --> 00:25:55,760 lot of this phenomenon you know that 471 00:26:01,840 --> 00:25:59,080 they were witness as well and you know 472 00:26:04,390 --> 00:26:01,850 again I didn't I've not asked to see 473 00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:04,400 anything like this and but it was almost 474 00:26:10,540 --> 00:26:06,710 like this phenomenon was presented 475 00:26:13,620 --> 00:26:10,550 itself to me you know this has gone on 476 00:26:15,970 --> 00:26:13,630 for as long as I can remember and 477 00:26:19,420 --> 00:26:15,980 obviously more recently you know I've 478 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:19,430 had some pretty major sightings what was 479 00:26:24,190 --> 00:26:22,250 a day like seitan which the pictures are 480 00:26:27,340 --> 00:26:24,200 up on my facebook the videos are on my 481 00:26:29,530 --> 00:26:27,350 youtube channel where we vlog to these 482 00:26:34,420 --> 00:26:29,540 things and then they're pretty 483 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:34,430 spectacular in nature so yeah further 484 00:26:41,050 --> 00:26:36,530 down the rabbit hole we travel and then 485 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:41,060 onwards we go you mentioned so many 486 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:43,490 things that rang true with what I 487 00:26:53,910 --> 00:26:47,690 consider exactly kind of like my path of 488 00:26:58,270 --> 00:26:53,920 life as well like these these times when 489 00:27:03,400 --> 00:26:58,280 you are able to see behind the veil and 490 00:27:05,530 --> 00:27:03,410 I think you mentioned that you know you 491 00:27:07,870 --> 00:27:05,540 knew from an early age there was 492 00:27:14,970 --> 00:27:07,880 something above did you realize there 493 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:18,460 sort of suddenly school scholars and the 494 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:21,610 teachers you know I was very aware of 495 00:27:26,980 --> 00:27:24,410 you know my mom had spoken about demonic 496 00:27:30,830 --> 00:27:26,990 Anthes and 497 00:27:32,660 --> 00:27:30,840 you know the dangers have get involved 498 00:27:36,980 --> 00:27:32,670 with anything like that and you know 499 00:27:39,260 --> 00:27:36,990 like as a young teen remember and this 500 00:27:41,450 --> 00:27:39,270 was just after my father passed away and 501 00:27:44,180 --> 00:27:41,460 I met this girl and the place called 502 00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:44,190 mark Hampton and then her family were 503 00:27:50,030 --> 00:27:47,760 really into cults they were into like 504 00:27:53,810 --> 00:27:50,040 ghost huntin and what line she suggested 505 00:27:56,330 --> 00:27:53,820 doing a Ouija board and I went to the 506 00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:56,340 house and you know again tongue-in-cheek 507 00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,290 I'm colorful we spend more most 508 00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:00,240 personalities but I have to sing 509 00:28:07,790 --> 00:28:03,600 something to believe that so we did this 510 00:28:10,850 --> 00:28:07,800 Ouija board and the Ouija board spells 511 00:28:14,210 --> 00:28:10,860 out a nickname that my father had for me 512 00:28:15,860 --> 00:28:14,220 and it wasn't something that I shared 513 00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:15,870 with these people they they wouldn't 514 00:28:21,020 --> 00:28:18,240 have known this and I was kind of blown 515 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:21,030 away by that and they you know being 516 00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:23,010 quite open with my mother at young age 517 00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:27,200 you know I told her about this and then 518 00:28:32,060 --> 00:28:29,760 one of the things that came through and 519 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:32,070 on the Ouija board that I had the 520 00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:36,330 guardian spirit that was a dog now my 521 00:28:43,910 --> 00:28:38,910 mom being a Christian her interpretation 522 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:43,920 of that is obviously a lot of darker 523 00:28:50,030 --> 00:28:46,410 stuff as you as you talking about it 524 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:50,040 spelled backwards so you know in here my 525 00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:54,690 dog acquainted to God so when she thinks 526 00:29:03,250 --> 00:28:56,960 perhaps i attracted something bad and 527 00:29:06,110 --> 00:29:03,260 back then so yeah i was very aware with 528 00:29:09,860 --> 00:29:06,120 you know both sides light and darkness 529 00:29:12,110 --> 00:29:09,870 and after the Ouija board it kind of 530 00:29:16,790 --> 00:29:12,120 scared me off it was a bit too real from 531 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:16,800 i understanded and then you know I I 532 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:20,010 kind of was left with the opinion of the 533 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:21,930 things out there that maybe you 534 00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:23,850 shouldn't provoke you know we all search 535 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:25,980 for answers we all want to hear from old 536 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:30,210 ones when they pass and you know crosses 537 00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:32,970 where things out there that you know 538 00:29:39,620 --> 00:29:37,440 forces if you want to call it that but 539 00:29:42,110 --> 00:29:39,630 you shouldn't necessarily 540 00:29:43,940 --> 00:29:42,120 problem than last year's you know you 541 00:29:46,850 --> 00:29:43,950 know exactly what are you doing 542 00:29:50,180 --> 00:29:46,860 I agree more I think there are 543 00:29:51,890 --> 00:29:50,190 definitely forces that whether you 544 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:51,900 acknowledge them or not they're there 545 00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:54,450 and by the time you realize it sometimes 546 00:30:02,450 --> 00:29:57,360 it's too late at least in many cases 547 00:30:04,910 --> 00:30:02,460 great minds of ufology have alluded to 548 00:30:07,870 --> 00:30:04,920 the possibility that some of these 549 00:30:10,730 --> 00:30:07,880 entities are demonic in nature and 550 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:10,740 actually some governmental programs in 551 00:30:18,650 --> 00:30:14,610 fact there's been a lot that has been 552 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:18,660 Declassified in documents is is there a 553 00:30:25,610 --> 00:30:22,770 possibility that this is possibly 554 00:30:27,950 --> 00:30:25,620 demonic I guess and you know and I'm 555 00:30:33,860 --> 00:30:27,960 talking I'll just I'll just say and I'm 556 00:30:36,890 --> 00:30:33,870 talking about a tip a SAP TTS a just 557 00:30:38,450 --> 00:30:36,900 things that have been alluded others as 558 00:30:46,570 --> 00:30:38,460 well I don't I don't want to get it 559 00:30:54,350 --> 00:30:50,330 skinwalker ranch in Utah basically you 560 00:30:56,420 --> 00:30:54,360 know it's I I do think there's a lot out 561 00:30:57,740 --> 00:30:56,430 there that I do tend to believe that 562 00:31:01,370 --> 00:30:57,750 it's all connected 563 00:31:05,450 --> 00:31:01,380 in the same instance and I think a lot 564 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:05,460 is on vibrational frequency and when 565 00:31:10,930 --> 00:31:07,770 people want to lose to you being awoken 566 00:31:13,850 --> 00:31:10,940 I think it's a case of like when we 567 00:31:16,370 --> 00:31:13,860 we've got the receiver you know which in 568 00:31:18,620 --> 00:31:16,380 an in a radio station of all some you 569 00:31:20,990 --> 00:31:18,630 know we find our favorite radio station 570 00:31:23,390 --> 00:31:21,000 and boom you know those messages are 571 00:31:27,530 --> 00:31:23,400 coming through and I think it's somewhat 572 00:31:29,630 --> 00:31:27,540 similar in the sense and you know if you 573 00:31:34,220 --> 00:31:29,640 want to allude to these being demonic 574 00:31:36,170 --> 00:31:34,230 and you know the speculation recently 575 00:31:37,790 --> 00:31:36,180 that some of the things that have been 576 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:37,800 seen and the things that have been 577 00:31:44,780 --> 00:31:42,570 released publicly there's a bit more to 578 00:31:49,790 --> 00:31:44,790 it than you know little green men flying 579 00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:49,800 craps around and I started to look into 580 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:52,080 skinwalker ranch as a consequence of 581 00:31:55,850 --> 00:31:52,770 this 582 00:31:58,700 --> 00:31:55,860 you know we fascinated me because you 583 00:32:01,370 --> 00:31:58,710 know this one place obviously you want a 584 00:32:04,490 --> 00:32:01,380 lot UFO sightings there and whole you 585 00:32:07,549 --> 00:32:04,500 went to Basin but also the phenomenon 586 00:32:09,470 --> 00:32:07,559 that the scene on the ranch and I think 587 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:09,480 it was a Davis that spoke about the 588 00:32:14,510 --> 00:32:12,570 tunnel apparent and you know this tall 589 00:32:16,779 --> 00:32:14,520 shadowy figure it comes out and it's 590 00:32:19,639 --> 00:32:16,789 elbowing its way out this tunnel and 591 00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:19,649 climbs out of this tunnel which they can 592 00:32:24,620 --> 00:32:22,559 only say free night vision I believe and 593 00:32:26,990 --> 00:32:24,630 they you know he finds into our reality 594 00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:27,000 and then just runs off into there into 595 00:32:34,159 --> 00:32:32,460 the darkness so there's an awful lot to 596 00:32:39,049 --> 00:32:34,169 hear and what obviously when you hear 597 00:32:42,289 --> 00:32:39,059 about all this phenomenon happening on 598 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:42,299 such a grand scale was on the ranch it 599 00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:44,730 kind of reassures you that one you not 600 00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:49,529 going mud to the best stuff is all 601 00:32:54,250 --> 00:32:52,559 pretty much connected I know you've got 602 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:54,260 different facets you've got 603 00:32:58,490 --> 00:32:56,250 cryptozoology you know you've got people 604 00:33:00,919 --> 00:32:58,500 of look into demons and you've got the 605 00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:00,929 religious aspects of that and then 606 00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:02,640 you've got you know the nuts and bolts 607 00:33:06,919 --> 00:33:04,559 you I found fanatics 608 00:33:08,779 --> 00:33:06,929 um the UM come of like have their own 609 00:33:12,590 --> 00:33:08,789 little interest and the role on the 610 00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,600 fruit but really they need to come 611 00:33:16,850 --> 00:33:14,399 together because a lot of this stuff 612 00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:16,860 goes hand in hand and looking into 613 00:33:23,620 --> 00:33:20,880 events what happen in the ranch and I I 614 00:33:27,710 --> 00:33:23,630 don't know if you want to talk about 615 00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:27,720 these things being dimensionals renter 616 00:33:33,049 --> 00:33:31,710 dimensional but I believe one of the 617 00:33:36,590 --> 00:33:33,059 going back to talking about the 618 00:33:38,450 --> 00:33:36,600 vibrational frequency thing I think you 619 00:33:40,970 --> 00:33:38,460 know obviously we can only see through 620 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:40,980 the naked eye I think it's fair to and 621 00:33:47,210 --> 00:33:43,770 three days so whilst our dimensions 622 00:33:52,850 --> 00:33:47,220 behind that that you have to be in tune 623 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:52,860 to necessarily see these things the 624 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:54,450 events that were going on at the ranch 625 00:34:00,580 --> 00:33:57,210 perhaps you know there's some sort of 626 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:00,590 dimensional portal where all these 627 00:34:07,150 --> 00:34:03,210 dimensions intersect and the absence 628 00:34:13,610 --> 00:34:10,850 yes I I can't agree more and the 629 00:34:15,230 --> 00:34:13,620 dimensional aspect is hard to escape Jay 630 00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:15,240 it could be demonic there's a 631 00:34:18,890 --> 00:34:17,250 possibility sure like everything there's 632 00:34:23,900 --> 00:34:18,900 good and bad people why wouldn't there 633 00:34:26,390 --> 00:34:23,910 be good and bad of this yeah one of the 634 00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:26,400 stories that stood out to me was and 635 00:34:33,919 --> 00:34:29,040 what when there the young man came to 636 00:34:36,370 --> 00:34:33,929 meditate on the ranch on them with the 637 00:34:39,290 --> 00:34:36,380 ranch owner Terry Sherman 638 00:34:42,860 --> 00:34:39,300 happily and you know we sort of invited 639 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:42,870 himself onto the ranch and you know 640 00:34:47,690 --> 00:34:45,570 approached Terry and I think his son and 641 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:47,700 said you know we had to meditate in a 642 00:34:53,210 --> 00:34:49,890 certain place on the ranch up by there 643 00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:53,220 the first homes that and he goes out you 644 00:34:59,480 --> 00:34:55,200 know and he's meeting him down and he's 645 00:35:01,370 --> 00:34:59,490 got his arms open and then I I think the 646 00:35:03,410 --> 00:35:01,380 story goes one the lines of you know 647 00:35:05,780 --> 00:35:03,420 tearing this son of watching and they 648 00:35:09,260 --> 00:35:05,790 they saw something which I believe was 649 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:09,270 like opaque to the scenery behind 650 00:35:14,540 --> 00:35:12,330 Pratt's on skinwalker Ridge and this 651 00:35:18,620 --> 00:35:14,550 thing runs towards this man and just 652 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:18,630 lets out this one almighty wrong scares 653 00:35:22,970 --> 00:35:20,850 the living hell out of this guy this guy 654 00:35:26,090 --> 00:35:22,980 comes running back he's hanging on to 655 00:35:29,090 --> 00:35:26,100 Terry Sherman's leg and you know recess 656 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:29,100 for Sarah shame and that you know the 657 00:35:35,210 --> 00:35:32,450 devil is there it's Satan himself now 658 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:35,220 you know things things like that these 659 00:35:40,430 --> 00:35:37,410 people are inching I think you know you 660 00:35:44,030 --> 00:35:40,440 I just think there's so much going on 661 00:35:46,910 --> 00:35:44,040 there and you know whether the lunge 662 00:35:50,750 --> 00:35:46,920 cast from you know obviously the Navajo 663 00:35:55,610 --> 00:35:50,760 I mean you tried the freaks in that area 664 00:35:57,860 --> 00:35:55,620 and I don't know but there's battling 665 00:36:00,100 --> 00:35:57,870 more questions and what there are 666 00:36:03,290 --> 00:36:00,110 answers when it comes to that place and 667 00:36:06,590 --> 00:36:03,300 I'm an illegally there's more of these 668 00:36:10,490 --> 00:36:06,600 places around the world and you know we 669 00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:10,500 went to a place called Benton and to 670 00:36:14,770 --> 00:36:12,720 look at the work of a chap called punks 671 00:36:18,620 --> 00:36:14,780 Inquirer 672 00:36:24,380 --> 00:36:18,630 Paul's been researching this area 673 00:36:27,289 --> 00:36:24,390 over 20 years now his story 674 00:36:30,140 --> 00:36:27,299 I'd say broke mainstream in the last few 675 00:36:33,559 --> 00:36:30,150 years because initially I believe he was 676 00:36:39,410 --> 00:36:33,569 looking into cryptid sightings where in 677 00:36:41,749 --> 00:36:39,420 the area in this Dodman and this goes 678 00:36:43,759 --> 00:36:41,759 back for hundreds and hundreds of years 679 00:36:46,009 --> 00:36:43,769 that people have seen this thing and 680 00:36:49,390 --> 00:36:46,019 you're talking about seven to eight foot 681 00:36:53,049 --> 00:36:49,400 tall by pad you know heavily muscled and 682 00:36:58,190 --> 00:36:53,059 you know face face like on wolves and 683 00:37:00,140 --> 00:36:58,200 then so I start looking into this story 684 00:37:02,539 --> 00:37:00,150 and I you know will come to me Paul and 685 00:37:07,549 --> 00:37:02,549 others got long conversation with them 686 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:07,559 and I realized he spoken an event I went 687 00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:11,210 to what a little bomb rushed you in 688 00:37:18,529 --> 00:37:15,359 Manchester and he spoke about this area 689 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:18,539 called Benton and up to this point I was 690 00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:22,130 only aware of the dog mum Titans and 691 00:37:28,339 --> 00:37:25,440 basically his whole talk was on this 692 00:37:31,009 --> 00:37:28,349 area which is on their northeast coast 693 00:37:36,019 --> 00:37:31,019 and just underneath the seaside town of 694 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:36,029 Scarborough he alluded to this place 695 00:37:41,180 --> 00:37:39,210 being somewhat of the UK skinwalker 696 00:37:43,279 --> 00:37:41,190 ranch because the same type of 697 00:37:46,579 --> 00:37:43,289 phenomenon that was happening on the 698 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:46,589 ranch in Utah was presenting itself in 699 00:37:53,470 --> 00:37:51,210 this area off the northeast coast the 700 00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:53,480 story after all you know you've got 701 00:38:01,309 --> 00:37:56,880 there's an old redundant RAF base which 702 00:38:05,059 --> 00:38:01,319 sits on the cliff tops and then you know 703 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:05,069 I do need to state that there the RAF 704 00:38:11,390 --> 00:38:07,650 base I don't condone anyone going out 705 00:38:13,329 --> 00:38:11,400 there it is private property and you 706 00:38:17,089 --> 00:38:13,339 know people will get prosecuted 707 00:38:18,829 --> 00:38:17,099 trespassing so I'm not advising they 708 00:38:20,569 --> 00:38:18,839 want to go out there and obviously on 709 00:38:24,349 --> 00:38:20,579 the clifftops it's pretty dangerous 710 00:38:26,690 --> 00:38:24,359 place to go out at night but the 711 00:38:29,210 --> 00:38:26,700 phenomenon seems to be the epicenter 712 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:29,220 around this RAF base 713 00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:31,530 you've got many many many accounts of 714 00:38:39,620 --> 00:38:35,310 people seeing a structured craft over 715 00:38:44,420 --> 00:38:39,630 the base there was one story by a South 716 00:38:48,349 --> 00:38:44,430 African area pilot who was a you've got 717 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:48,359 a lot of endangered species of birds 718 00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:51,210 that last one request tops so no trucks 719 00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:53,040 and a lot of people and you've got an 720 00:39:00,650 --> 00:38:57,359 RSP behaviors in it literally probably 721 00:39:01,309 --> 00:39:00,660 five by five hundred yards away from 722 00:39:04,579 --> 00:39:01,319 this area 723 00:39:05,900 --> 00:39:04,589 thanks that sits on the help and you 724 00:39:08,780 --> 00:39:05,910 know he's they were walking back and 725 00:39:11,420 --> 00:39:08,790 then he said he you know we saw this 726 00:39:14,030 --> 00:39:11,430 spear right over there all the earth 727 00:39:15,020 --> 00:39:14,040 banks and he said it was like a dirty 728 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:15,030 gray in color 729 00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:19,530 and his wife you know knowing his RAF 730 00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:21,359 background took what that and I'm 731 00:39:25,550 --> 00:39:23,040 initially suing he thought it was a 732 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:25,560 barrage balloon so they're walking 733 00:39:32,359 --> 00:39:29,490 toward there and he's watched this spear 734 00:39:36,530 --> 00:39:32,369 kind of change from this dirty gray 735 00:39:39,230 --> 00:39:36,540 color to this brilliant white and he 736 00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:39,240 said you know you know sort of thought 737 00:39:44,450 --> 00:39:41,730 and inside at the time it was a UFO and 738 00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:44,460 they looked away you know something 739 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:46,079 called the retention you walk back and 740 00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:49,050 this thing is gone now you also have a 741 00:39:56,559 --> 00:39:52,560 lot of what anglers that fish off the 742 00:39:59,780 --> 00:39:56,569 cliff tops and for years and years and 743 00:40:04,099 --> 00:39:59,790 people the leaders seen these orange old 744 00:40:07,210 --> 00:40:04,109 out at sea and these things on the pier 745 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:07,220 down but don't best appear randomly 746 00:40:12,530 --> 00:40:10,410 reappearing somewhere else there's all 747 00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:12,540 kinds of stuff going on there and you 748 00:40:20,900 --> 00:40:14,960 know even recently one by the farmers 749 00:40:23,180 --> 00:40:20,910 had sheep on one the fields and I think 750 00:40:27,140 --> 00:40:23,190 it's been said that he lost over sixty 751 00:40:28,609 --> 00:40:27,150 sheeping and over a two-year period and 752 00:40:31,309 --> 00:40:28,619 these sheep display all the 753 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:31,319 characteristics of the usual mutilations 754 00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:34,290 you know George struts memory and eyes 755 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:36,960 removed as if they've been sucked out by 756 00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:40,770 you know about you McQueen reproductive 757 00:40:45,019 --> 00:40:42,960 organs and you know missing 758 00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:45,029 you know I need to acetate as well 759 00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:47,760 there's never any the Lord you know 760 00:40:55,579 --> 00:40:51,920 palms working looking for marks of 761 00:40:58,039 --> 00:40:55,589 something that we know to be a predator 762 00:41:04,460 --> 00:40:58,049 attack inning sheep there's no signs of 763 00:41:07,059 --> 00:41:04,470 that and it's a very very strange place 764 00:41:11,630 --> 00:41:07,069 and I say I one term while camp there 765 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:11,640 last October one of the few friends up 766 00:41:15,710 --> 00:41:12,930 there and we had a look around the our 767 00:41:18,170 --> 00:41:15,720 airspace and we stayed for a couple of 768 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:18,180 nights and on the Saturday night wild 769 00:41:26,029 --> 00:41:21,210 camped in the woods where there's been a 770 00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:26,039 sighting at this Dogma werewolf whatever 771 00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:29,760 you want to call it and as we're 772 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:31,680 returning home on the Sunday I got a 773 00:41:37,700 --> 00:41:34,770 message of all and to say that there was 774 00:41:41,539 --> 00:41:37,710 a game insulated there pretty much about 775 00:41:44,210 --> 00:41:41,549 a mile like from ivory cabs you know you 776 00:41:46,900 --> 00:41:44,220 see these deer they're big animals you 777 00:41:49,549 --> 00:41:46,910 know something's would attack a deer 778 00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:49,559 they'd put up one hell of a fight 779 00:41:55,789 --> 00:41:52,710 and again you know there's no signs of 780 00:42:01,609 --> 00:41:55,799 struggle the years of almost surgically 781 00:42:04,370 --> 00:42:01,619 removed off this animal and yeah I think 782 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:04,380 it's a very weird place but it displays 783 00:42:12,170 --> 00:42:07,770 all the characteristics which have made 784 00:42:13,519 --> 00:42:12,180 the ranch in Utah famous so I think that 785 00:42:15,740 --> 00:42:13,529 there's probably a lot of these bikes 786 00:42:21,859 --> 00:42:15,750 has dotted around the world where you 787 00:42:24,410 --> 00:42:21,869 know these dimensions intersect I find 788 00:42:26,599 --> 00:42:24,420 it all very interesting and I'm glad 789 00:42:31,460 --> 00:42:26,609 that you mentioned Jason Gleaves earlier 790 00:42:35,420 --> 00:42:31,470 he has helped a bunch with stuff that 791 00:42:39,500 --> 00:42:35,430 I've caught on cameras etc and some of 792 00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:39,510 us have seen there in the basin so props 793 00:42:50,299 --> 00:42:48,089 to Jason he's he's very good at yes he's 794 00:42:54,049 --> 00:42:50,309 actually the chap that I sent the photos 795 00:42:56,089 --> 00:42:54,059 the markoma back to and it was only 796 00:42:58,189 --> 00:42:56,099 recently when he was 797 00:43:01,219 --> 00:42:58,199 attempting to rebuild his pili scene 798 00:43:03,259 --> 00:43:01,229 they stumbled across them because you 799 00:43:05,269 --> 00:43:03,269 know I've mentioned about these markings 800 00:43:08,569 --> 00:43:05,279 on berries over into nudes that I've 801 00:43:11,029 --> 00:43:08,579 done what without the pictures as you 802 00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:11,039 know yourself evidence seems to speak 803 00:43:18,410 --> 00:43:15,119 louder so to get these photos back and 804 00:43:20,689 --> 00:43:18,420 obviously Jason's analyzed them bought 805 00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:20,699 us a little bit more detail on them is 806 00:43:29,329 --> 00:43:23,609 you know it backs up what I've said now 807 00:43:33,319 --> 00:43:29,339 it's credibility to my story yeah he's a 808 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:33,329 good guy and I your story is amazing it 809 00:43:39,529 --> 00:43:36,410 is so amazing and there are so many 810 00:43:41,779 --> 00:43:39,539 significant similarities the deer 811 00:43:43,969 --> 00:43:41,789 instance that I've looked into that 812 00:43:46,539 --> 00:43:43,979 situation the deer instance that you're 813 00:43:49,420 --> 00:43:46,549 mentioned there are various cases of 814 00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:49,430 these for all intents and purposes 815 00:43:57,620 --> 00:43:52,319 mutilated deer it's it's really quite 816 00:43:59,749 --> 00:43:57,630 wild isn't it yeah you know especially 817 00:44:02,539 --> 00:43:59,759 when this is afternoon only you know a 818 00:44:06,259 --> 00:44:02,549 short distance away from the touch that 819 00:44:08,469 --> 00:44:06,269 you comes in now when we went there we 820 00:44:10,999 --> 00:44:08,479 went to a place called slumbers ahead 821 00:44:14,569 --> 00:44:11,009 which is well little bit up on the 822 00:44:18,859 --> 00:44:14,579 coastline from Banten and we just parked 823 00:44:20,779 --> 00:44:18,869 up with them we exited the van got out 824 00:44:24,529 --> 00:44:20,789 to stretch our legs and a block around 825 00:44:27,049 --> 00:44:24,539 and we saw a man like Lionel and this 826 00:44:29,660 --> 00:44:27,059 thing's probably you know flying is in 827 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:29,670 the same height as aircraft when it's 828 00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:33,690 coming into one again silent and took a 829 00:44:38,959 --> 00:44:36,089 video that's with another friend that 830 00:44:41,420 --> 00:44:38,969 was there work and as you cement adesh 831 00:44:48,370 --> 00:44:41,430 you can almost see like an energy within 832 00:44:51,339 --> 00:44:48,380 this orb I'm very very strange now Paul 833 00:44:54,170 --> 00:44:51,349 filmmaker Chris turned and release 834 00:44:57,259 --> 00:44:54,180 documentary last year called bringing 835 00:45:00,140 --> 00:44:57,269 down the light fantastic documentary I'd 836 00:45:02,599 --> 00:45:00,150 recommend anyone together 837 00:45:05,390 --> 00:45:02,609 gotta give them a quick shoutout so it's 838 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:05,400 available armed don't mention the 839 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:10,130 reptilians calm and this 840 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:12,450 documentary centers around on this way 841 00:45:20,030 --> 00:45:17,130 the Benton phenomenon and there's a free 842 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:20,040 YouTube documentary on 843 00:45:24,290 --> 00:45:23,010 I think it's on YouTube and Vimeo and a 844 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:24,300 few other things called 845 00:45:30,110 --> 00:45:27,090 Benton phenomenal if anyone wants the 846 00:45:32,090 --> 00:45:30,120 Galman add up and it gives a really good 847 00:45:35,060 --> 00:45:32,100 overview of events that are going on 848 00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:35,070 there but the documentary they released 849 00:45:41,570 --> 00:45:37,920 last year he has them as if there's a 850 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:41,580 witness on there who claims to have 851 00:45:46,910 --> 00:45:44,970 worked for the re app in the 80s and 852 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:46,920 I'll go into the RAF base a little bit 853 00:45:53,090 --> 00:45:50,130 deeper it's quite significant 854 00:45:57,290 --> 00:45:53,100 he claims that he has an occult 855 00:46:00,380 --> 00:45:57,300 background it was hired once they 856 00:46:02,750 --> 00:46:00,390 learned about his psychic abilities and 857 00:46:06,830 --> 00:46:02,760 even stationed around respecting human 858 00:46:08,690 --> 00:46:06,840 see when try and capture what was going 859 00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:08,700 on there and he said the government at 860 00:46:15,980 --> 00:46:13,680 the time was aware of three ET races but 861 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:15,990 we using the base some well as a door 862 00:46:24,770 --> 00:46:22,290 like to come through and you go round 863 00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,780 the bags and there's various videos on 864 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:26,880 YouTube where you know these urban 865 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:29,850 explorers come into and you go down into 866 00:46:36,020 --> 00:46:32,210 the tunnels and this RAF banks and 867 00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:36,030 there's a rhotic art displayed all over 868 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:39,200 the walls and I'm not talking about some 869 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:42,330 graffiti that a bunch of teenagers have 870 00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:45,290 done on a Friday night basing detailed 871 00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:48,720 pornographic art and it's displayed all 872 00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:53,910 over these walls now Paul has touched 873 00:46:59,120 --> 00:46:56,250 upon this in the documentary but said 874 00:47:01,340 --> 00:46:59,130 you know obvious reason to them when 875 00:47:04,340 --> 00:47:01,350 they're going to into that but it's 876 00:47:08,510 --> 00:47:04,350 believed the re FBI banks was used in 877 00:47:13,850 --> 00:47:08,520 late 80s for satanic rituals and there's 878 00:47:16,580 --> 00:47:13,860 a lot of pictograms and other occult 879 00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:16,590 markings on there in the tunnels of 880 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:19,730 their space along with this erotic art 881 00:47:23,540 --> 00:47:22,410 and he's actually got someone who speaks 882 00:47:27,140 --> 00:47:23,550 on film 883 00:47:31,850 --> 00:47:27,150 I think his team agency you know they 884 00:47:34,190 --> 00:47:31,860 bench it down into these tunnels they'd 885 00:47:37,010 --> 00:47:34,200 sell the remnants of someone having a 886 00:47:39,590 --> 00:47:37,020 fire there and he found these clogs and 887 00:47:42,170 --> 00:47:39,600 he said they bought the cloaks out into 888 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:42,180 the daylight and he said you can 889 00:47:47,780 --> 00:47:44,610 understand me these were cheaply made 890 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:47,790 things these were proper stitch cloth 891 00:47:54,260 --> 00:47:50,850 they were you know like a pillowcase 892 00:47:58,730 --> 00:47:54,270 with a couple of holes in but a lot of 893 00:48:00,530 --> 00:47:58,740 the locals around they're using it they 894 00:48:04,100 --> 00:48:00,540 don't it's not a place where they 895 00:48:06,740 --> 00:48:04,110 readily accept Outsiders and so a lot of 896 00:48:09,470 --> 00:48:06,750 people want to talk about the satanic 897 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:09,480 element to what went on there now the 898 00:48:18,620 --> 00:48:15,090 witness who claims or works looking to 899 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:18,630 the activity around the RAF base states 900 00:48:24,500 --> 00:48:22,530 that they they made things occult groups 901 00:48:26,780 --> 00:48:24,510 may have known about the phenomenon that 902 00:48:31,060 --> 00:48:26,790 existed there and will possibly try and 903 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:31,070 harness that energy or you know 904 00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:33,450 speculative reasons we can speculate 905 00:48:42,410 --> 00:48:38,250 about bottom it's a very very strange 906 00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:42,420 place and Utah and they gotta go there 907 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:47,280 yourself to feel the energy it's still a 908 00:48:50,780 --> 00:48:48,930 story that's emboldened as well I 909 00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:50,790 believe they've got new film coming out 910 00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:54,480 this year and with a new witness so when 911 00:48:59,420 --> 00:48:57,359 I look forward to now and I'm hoping to 912 00:49:01,940 --> 00:48:59,430 get back up to banter in the spring and 913 00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:01,950 then hopefully camp out for a few days 914 00:49:07,849 --> 00:49:05,040 and you know that very similar to the 915 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:07,859 ranch you know you'll get activity where 916 00:49:12,770 --> 00:49:11,010 it comes in bursts and a lot of best 917 00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:12,780 phenomena the scene and then it will go 918 00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:14,730 quiet for months on end and you don't 919 00:49:20,020 --> 00:49:17,609 see anything so you've kind of got to be 920 00:49:23,720 --> 00:49:20,030 in the right place at the right time and 921 00:49:25,340 --> 00:49:23,730 then you know we'll go out there because 922 00:49:27,950 --> 00:49:25,350 believe you know you've got to get out 923 00:49:30,380 --> 00:49:27,960 to these places it's no good sitting 924 00:49:31,700 --> 00:49:30,390 watching YouTube documentaries and you 925 00:49:33,410 --> 00:49:31,710 know if you want to know about this 926 00:49:37,290 --> 00:49:33,420 phenomenon you've you've got to be 927 00:49:40,590 --> 00:49:37,300 hands-on so we'll go up I hope 928 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:40,600 we talk with paul i highly recommend 929 00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:43,690 perhaps you look into getting Paul to 930 00:49:49,020 --> 00:49:46,480 speak on your podcast because his his 931 00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:49,030 knowledge in his research is absolutely 932 00:49:53,850 --> 00:49:50,160 second to none 933 00:49:56,460 --> 00:49:53,860 I've got no reservations when it comes 934 00:50:00,570 --> 00:49:56,470 to Paul's work whatsoever he's a a 935 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:00,580 straight-up individual and I say he's 936 00:50:05,700 --> 00:50:03,490 not a young man anymore which I hope he 937 00:50:07,890 --> 00:50:05,710 doesn't mind me saying but he is out on 938 00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:07,900 many fields on the quest tops five 939 00:50:13,310 --> 00:50:10,480 o'clock every morning you know the man's 940 00:50:15,930 --> 00:50:13,320 pretty much dedicated his life to 941 00:50:19,290 --> 00:50:15,940 studying and trying to capture what's 942 00:50:22,170 --> 00:50:19,300 going on out there and you've even got a 943 00:50:24,450 --> 00:50:22,180 sighting as fresh as the weekend just 944 00:50:28,380 --> 00:50:24,460 gone are now I'll read this to you 945 00:50:32,580 --> 00:50:28,390 briefly this was sent in support and 946 00:50:35,310 --> 00:50:32,590 it's titled a cliff top werewolf and it 947 00:50:38,670 --> 00:50:35,320 says and I quote well Bob Brown and I 948 00:50:40,500 --> 00:50:38,680 were at Benton the RSPB reserve at 7 949 00:50:43,230 --> 00:50:40,510 a.m. this morning to meet up with a 950 00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:43,240 couple who visited the area for the 951 00:50:48,300 --> 00:50:46,000 first time they contacted me Friday 952 00:50:51,470 --> 00:50:48,310 evening after observing while they can 953 00:50:56,070 --> 00:50:51,480 only describe as a huge canine type 954 00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:56,080 creature set off on the scar of the 955 00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:58,000 cliff top just announced to the circuit 956 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:00,640 see the male of the couple is 6 feet 957 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:03,010 tall they both say this animal was over 958 00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:06,970 6 foot tall seated the other selection 959 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:08,800 of cameras with them including an 960 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:11,170 infrared camera none of them is able to 961 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:13,450 pick up the creature even though the 962 00:51:19,890 --> 00:51:16,650 cameras can see the cliff tops clearly 963 00:51:22,650 --> 00:51:19,900 so but you know that's butter sight and 964 00:51:26,490 --> 00:51:22,660 again of this dog man is recent is this 965 00:51:28,380 --> 00:51:26,500 weekend just gone so you know this stuff 966 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:28,390 is current and it's happening to this 967 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:32,530 day and again very very similar to 968 00:51:36,780 --> 00:51:34,210 what's been going on with skinwalker 969 00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:36,790 ranch there's other projects as well 970 00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:39,760 that seemed to have similarities like a 971 00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:42,880 tip a SAP yeah what have you come across 972 00:51:49,549 --> 00:51:46,910 that has been similar to that well 973 00:51:53,779 --> 00:51:49,559 well we go into the recent stuff 974 00:51:57,650 --> 00:51:53,789 regarding a tip in TSA and I started 975 00:51:59,900 --> 00:51:57,660 looking at this and the involvement of 976 00:52:02,539 --> 00:51:59,910 mr. Bigelow mr. Robert Bigelow we 977 00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:02,549 obviously purchased him more crunch but 978 00:52:10,700 --> 00:52:08,640 around 1995 so I created some other 979 00:52:14,329 --> 00:52:10,710 timeline of events the show of all 980 00:52:16,430 --> 00:52:14,339 lessons entered swine so big long buys 981 00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:16,440 the ranch I believe in that around the 982 00:52:23,029 --> 00:52:20,130 time of 1995 and I think he purchased it 983 00:52:25,609 --> 00:52:23,039 for about $200,000 which was relatively 984 00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:25,619 cheap and he moved his new team of 985 00:52:30,769 --> 00:52:28,710 scientists onto the ranch and they were 986 00:52:34,190 --> 00:52:30,779 there to study the events that were 987 00:52:37,029 --> 00:52:34,200 going on at the ranch so you've got lid 988 00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:37,039 knits which is the National Institute 989 00:52:43,779 --> 00:52:40,650 discovery of science and which was 990 00:52:47,799 --> 00:52:43,789 created around 1995 and ran until about 991 00:52:50,569 --> 00:52:47,809 2004 and couple of the guys that were 992 00:52:53,650 --> 00:52:50,579 involved when deads was a deputy 993 00:52:59,749 --> 00:52:53,660 administrator : Kelleher and 994 00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:59,759 astrophysicists that Eric Davis so 2004 995 00:53:04,910 --> 00:53:01,680 niches shut down and it was then 996 00:53:08,170 --> 00:53:04,920 replaced by bus or which is Bigelow 997 00:53:11,329 --> 00:53:08,180 Aerospace advanced space for these and 998 00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:11,339 the assumption being a bus had a more 999 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:13,440 quantifying mission statement than did 1000 00:53:21,170 --> 00:53:15,930 and also government sponsor on the 1001 00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:21,180 horizon 2005 and you have the release of 1002 00:53:28,839 --> 00:53:25,200 the infamous Oak hunt for the skinwalker 1003 00:53:32,059 --> 00:53:28,849 by George Knapp and calm camera and 1004 00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:32,069 fantastic book and I think it's got far 1005 00:53:39,140 --> 00:53:36,450 more in it than jeremy corbyn's film or 1006 00:53:43,039 --> 00:53:39,150 line corbels film is important part and 1007 00:53:47,359 --> 00:53:43,049 this and I'd recommend anyone to read 1008 00:53:51,140 --> 00:53:47,369 the book sold 2007 you have an unnamed 1009 00:53:53,029 --> 00:53:51,150 agent from the DIA who contact Robert 1010 00:53:55,940 --> 00:53:53,039 Bigelow and request see the ranch in 1011 00:53:57,859 --> 00:53:55,950 person Robert Bigelow blige's 1012 00:53:59,040 --> 00:53:57,869 and the agent has a personalized 1013 00:54:02,370 --> 00:53:59,050 Clarkson cancer 1014 00:54:04,620 --> 00:54:02,380 the ranch 11 reports his experience to 1015 00:54:07,100 --> 00:54:04,630 be superiors which would be initial 1016 00:54:09,900 --> 00:54:07,110 catalyst for Senator Harry Reid 1017 00:54:11,940 --> 00:54:09,910 appropriate in the 22 million dollars 1018 00:54:14,010 --> 00:54:11,950 from a skinwalker ranch which was 1019 00:54:20,270 --> 00:54:14,020 obviously the story that broke in 1020 00:54:24,780 --> 00:54:20,280 December 2016 so you fast forward to 1021 00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:24,790 2007 and this was the creation of alsa 1022 00:54:31,140 --> 00:54:28,480 which which later I believe went on to 1023 00:54:33,630 --> 00:54:31,150 become the advanced aviation threat 1024 00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:33,640 events McCartney that identification 1025 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:39,130 program get the tongue working so the 22 1026 00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:42,490 million dollars which is drop in the 1027 00:54:51,830 --> 00:54:46,720 ocean I believe was partially funded by 1028 00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:51,840 events that went on at the ranch so 1029 00:54:58,710 --> 00:54:56,650 you're looking at the similarities if 1030 00:55:01,020 --> 00:54:58,720 you will the Bigelow's involvement from 1031 00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:01,030 all the phenomenon that the scene on the 1032 00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:06,130 ranch so obviously this this all 1033 00:55:14,340 --> 00:55:11,890 happened later later and you know you go 1034 00:55:17,100 --> 00:55:14,350 into it and that one thing that's always 1035 00:55:19,860 --> 00:55:17,110 stood out to me was the interview with 1036 00:55:25,470 --> 00:55:19,870 Robert because I've done by 60 minutes I 1037 00:55:27,930 --> 00:55:25,480 believe and then they Bigelow you know 1038 00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:27,940 he's not one to give a lot of interviews 1039 00:55:35,010 --> 00:55:31,090 and I think he's only given a handful 1040 00:55:37,830 --> 00:55:35,020 and he doesn't necessarily like talking 1041 00:55:41,210 --> 00:55:37,840 about the ranch and because of all the 1042 00:55:44,370 --> 00:55:41,220 stuff going on so the interview goes and 1043 00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:44,380 the interviewer asks mr. big lug do you 1044 00:55:49,380 --> 00:55:47,050 believe in aliens to which Robert 1045 00:55:52,830 --> 00:55:49,390 Bigelow sounds I'm absolutely convinced 1046 00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:52,840 that that's always - it the interviewer 1047 00:55:58,590 --> 00:55:55,210 then asks so do you believe that UFOs 1048 00:56:00,480 --> 00:55:58,600 have come from Earth Robert Bigelow 1049 00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:00,490 Lange goes on to say there has been an 1050 00:56:05,460 --> 00:56:03,280 existing present - neeti present and 1051 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:05,470 I've spent millions and millions I 1052 00:56:10,340 --> 00:56:08,170 probably spent more as an individual 1053 00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:10,350 than anyone else in the US has ever 1054 00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:13,770 on the subject the interviewer then goes 1055 00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:17,280 on to say is it risky feed same public 1056 00:56:22,700 --> 00:56:19,970 that you believe in UFOs and aliens 1057 00:56:24,260 --> 00:56:22,710 Bigelow responded with I don't give a 1058 00:56:26,780 --> 00:56:24,270 damn I don't care 1059 00:56:28,580 --> 00:56:26,790 the interviewer dancers you don't worry 1060 00:56:31,550 --> 00:56:28,590 that some people will say did you hear 1061 00:56:35,390 --> 00:56:31,560 that guy he sounds crazy Bigelow then 1062 00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:35,400 replies I don't care why not Bigelow 1063 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:37,050 says it's not going to make a big 1064 00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:37,770 difference 1065 00:56:43,220 --> 00:56:39,570 it's not going to change the reality of 1066 00:56:45,020 --> 00:56:43,230 what I know so the interviewer then 1067 00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:45,030 asked him do you imagine that in our 1068 00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:47,610 space travel travels that will encounter 1069 00:56:53,300 --> 00:56:50,240 all the forms of intelligent life and 1070 00:56:56,180 --> 00:56:53,310 this is the apartment that's in this 1071 00:56:58,940 --> 00:56:56,190 interview so Bigelow replies with you 1072 00:57:00,680 --> 00:56:58,950 don't have to go anywhere so the 1073 00:57:04,070 --> 00:57:00,690 interview and says you can find it here 1074 00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:04,080 so which Bigelow replies yes where 1075 00:57:10,490 --> 00:57:07,200 exactly Bigelow says it's right under 1076 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:10,500 people's noses which i think is a very 1077 00:57:14,330 --> 00:57:12,410 telling thing to say and perhaps 1078 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:14,340 coincides with what we'll be talking 1079 00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:16,650 about the end to the bench or aspect of 1080 00:57:27,020 --> 00:57:22,290 all of that so we fast forward to 2016 1081 00:57:29,450 --> 00:57:27,030 which was Tom DeLonge starts to come out 1082 00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:29,460 of the shadows from there obviously he 1083 00:57:36,650 --> 00:57:31,410 was the front man of the rock band 1084 00:57:38,660 --> 00:57:36,660 blink-182 and i listened to an entity i 1085 00:57:43,070 --> 00:57:38,670 think it was on jimmy church's fade to 1086 00:57:45,830 --> 00:57:43,080 black and he's talking to Jimmy and you 1087 00:57:48,500 --> 00:57:45,840 know we sort of I'd be all these claims 1088 00:57:53,060 --> 00:57:48,510 that he gained considerable access to 1089 00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:53,070 top-level military personnel and he also 1090 00:57:57,650 --> 00:57:55,410 mentions that he's being advised but why 1091 00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:57,660 was that point he wasn't at liberty to 1092 00:58:05,780 --> 00:58:00,720 name these people which we later now was 1093 00:58:09,340 --> 00:58:05,790 Lee was under so shortly after and the 1094 00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:09,350 WikiLeaks and hack to emails 1095 00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:13,170 Hillary Clinton and then a campaign with 1096 00:58:19,970 --> 00:58:16,730 Don Trump surface where these 1097 00:58:22,910 --> 00:58:19,980 conversations come belong and chief of 1098 00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:22,920 staff John Podesta now it's important to 1099 00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:24,130 say the jumper - 1100 00:58:33,790 --> 00:58:28,610 and then a you know some other public 1101 00:58:36,490 --> 00:58:33,800 can't pay enough for disclosure and it 1102 00:58:38,740 --> 00:58:36,500 goes on to say that you know the series 1103 00:58:43,630 --> 00:58:38,750 of meetings was held over the internet 1104 00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:43,640 between the lung and Podesta and he 1105 00:58:49,540 --> 00:58:45,920 mentioned enlisted the help of I think 1106 00:58:51,790 --> 00:58:49,550 it's General William McCaslin and former 1107 00:58:54,580 --> 00:58:51,800 commander at the Air Force Research Lab 1108 00:58:57,310 --> 00:58:54,590 in Alcon and homeys message to the youth 1109 00:59:01,060 --> 00:58:57,320 so we fast forward and then you've got 1110 00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:01,070 Hillary Clinton is on a show in the 1111 00:59:08,530 --> 00:59:05,090 States called Jimmy Kimmel and where she 1112 00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:08,540 discusses husband's attempts to gain 1113 00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:10,730 access for the secret classified UFO 1114 00:59:16,570 --> 00:59:12,490 FILES and was denied 1115 00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:16,580 so Jimmy Kimmel after we had your former 1116 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:19,850 president or we had your husband former 1117 00:59:25,780 --> 00:59:22,010 President Bill Clinton on the show I 1118 00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:25,790 asked him about UFOs and alien 51 and if 1119 00:59:30,250 --> 00:59:28,370 he'd looked into it as if I was 1120 00:59:32,740 --> 00:59:30,260 president that's the first thing I would 1121 00:59:35,020 --> 00:59:32,750 then I'd go right to those files and see 1122 00:59:37,060 --> 00:59:35,030 what was going on and he said he did 1123 00:59:39,820 --> 00:59:37,070 that and he didn't find anything 1124 00:59:42,070 --> 00:59:39,830 so which Hillary but then replies well 1125 00:59:45,670 --> 00:59:42,080 I'm going to do it again and there's a 1126 00:59:50,170 --> 00:59:45,680 new name unexplained aerial phenomena 1127 00:59:55,180 --> 00:59:50,180 UAP that's the latest Norma quake that 1128 01:00:00,370 --> 00:59:55,190 was around March 2016 and we go on to I 1129 01:00:03,460 --> 01:00:00,380 think it was one time October 27 Tom 1130 01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:03,470 DeLonge has obviously thrust into the 1131 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:05,690 public spotlight and he announced the 1132 01:00:17,220 --> 01:00:11,930 creation of this group of individuals as 1133 01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:17,230 friend there is intelligence personnel 1134 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:20,330 called to the stars Academy of Arts and 1135 01:00:28,300 --> 01:00:24,170 Science and you've got some very 1136 01:00:33,340 --> 01:00:28,310 important people but you know he's he's 1137 01:00:35,980 --> 01:00:33,350 gone to seek advice and you know such 1138 01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:35,990 names as gem set family values 1139 01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:43,300 you've got doc-to-help Atif it was the 1140 01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:45,650 co-founder and vice president of Science 1141 01:00:53,170 --> 01:00:50,690 and Technology you know you've got speed 1142 01:00:57,010 --> 01:00:53,180 justice he was the chief operator 1143 01:01:00,460 --> 01:00:57,020 answered the aerospace division and you 1144 01:01:02,260 --> 01:01:00,470 know things are wrong and if you look 1145 01:01:04,990 --> 01:01:02,270 into these names they've all got 1146 01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:05,000 important parts to play in this 1147 01:01:12,970 --> 01:01:09,530 TTS a thing and a mum or suddenly while 1148 01:01:14,830 --> 01:01:12,980 I was on that and you know morale was on 1149 01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:14,840 those background was he's a career 1150 01:01:20,770 --> 01:01:18,770 intelligence officer a lot of experience 1151 01:01:23,140 --> 01:01:20,780 in the US Army in the Department of 1152 01:01:27,070 --> 01:01:23,150 Defense and was involved with the 1153 01:01:32,140 --> 01:01:27,080 National counterintelligence as a former 1154 01:01:36,310 --> 01:01:32,150 Special Agent so obviously it's come to 1155 01:01:38,740 --> 01:01:36,320 light that that blue is headed bphs 1156 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:38,750 advanced aerial threat identification 1157 01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:42,890 program and there's been a lot of back 1158 01:01:47,650 --> 01:01:45,170 and forth about obviously the roles on 1159 01:01:50,950 --> 01:01:47,660 those involvement there's been some 1160 01:01:55,210 --> 01:01:50,960 talent statements made by the Pentagon 1161 01:01:57,220 --> 01:01:55,220 and even more so recently and that you 1162 01:02:03,930 --> 01:01:57,230 know a lost commander billion worth John 1163 01:02:07,870 --> 01:02:03,940 Green Walter as accomplished in in 1164 01:02:11,590 --> 01:02:07,880 scrutinizing T TSA because there seems 1165 01:02:19,540 --> 01:02:11,600 to be an awful lot of smoke and mirrors 1166 01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:19,550 if I can call like that whether Lou had 1167 01:02:27,970 --> 01:02:23,210 the involvement that he did III don't 1168 01:02:31,030 --> 01:02:27,980 know and from what I do understand I 1169 01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:31,040 would say that you know that there is 1170 01:02:34,930 --> 01:02:32,930 something going on within the government 1171 01:02:40,810 --> 01:02:34,940 and I love where there are people who 1172 01:02:43,210 --> 01:02:40,820 want to bring this subject to public 1173 01:02:46,810 --> 01:02:43,220 attention because I believe it's a 1174 01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:46,820 national defense threat and there are 1175 01:02:51,790 --> 01:02:49,250 people perhaps for these as 1176 01:02:55,090 --> 01:02:51,800 we spoke of earlier and you know the 1177 01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:55,100 religious aspects of this but don't want 1178 01:03:05,490 --> 01:02:57,170 misinformation to be out there to the 1179 01:03:12,310 --> 01:03:08,220 you got a look look at this objectively 1180 01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:12,320 and the way the way I look at this Ryan 1181 01:03:18,670 --> 01:03:17,330 is tts alien you know you look at them 1182 01:03:21,730 --> 01:03:18,680 as a collective and what they've 1183 01:03:23,890 --> 01:03:21,740 achieved and pretty much from when that 1184 01:03:27,700 --> 01:03:23,900 article was broken the New York Times 1185 01:03:30,430 --> 01:03:27,710 they change the conversation and they 1186 01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:30,440 change how this subject was perceived on 1187 01:03:36,910 --> 01:03:34,010 my mainstream level where is you know 1188 01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:36,920 you know yourself you know but it's 1189 01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:39,770 probably the same in America you rubbing 1190 01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:42,890 your folks or runnin you know the six 1191 01:03:47,860 --> 01:03:44,810 o'clock news and it was always played 1192 01:03:51,490 --> 01:03:47,870 with the x-files music and it was it was 1193 01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:51,500 always like they were kind of making us 1194 01:03:57,850 --> 01:03:53,810 all out to be fruit loops and you know 1195 01:04:03,430 --> 01:03:57,860 we all wear tinfoil hat and watch Star 1196 01:04:07,210 --> 01:04:03,440 Trek episodes on the beat so yeah and I 1197 01:04:10,630 --> 01:04:07,220 say you know where I saw which dolmens 1198 01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:10,640 think last November a lot of this talk 1199 01:04:16,900 --> 01:04:13,970 was based on you know this if you want 1200 01:04:19,270 --> 01:04:16,910 to call a disclosure efforts I know 1201 01:04:22,470 --> 01:04:19,280 people have said its disclosure with a 1202 01:04:27,150 --> 01:04:22,480 little B rather than their capital big 1203 01:04:31,390 --> 01:04:27,160 but they as a group you know for all the 1204 01:04:34,540 --> 01:04:31,400 criticisms that they face then you know 1205 01:04:38,020 --> 01:04:34,550 all the tearing and throwing I think 1206 01:04:41,770 --> 01:04:38,030 they brought this into the spotlight and 1207 01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:41,780 rightly so and you know you have stories 1208 01:04:47,290 --> 01:04:44,570 will in last year where the US Navy's 1209 01:04:50,380 --> 01:04:47,300 introduced you know an official protocol 1210 01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:50,390 a pilot to witness this type of 1211 01:04:55,810 --> 01:04:52,730 phenomena where they've actually got a 1212 01:04:59,680 --> 01:04:55,820 place to go to to report these sightings 1213 01:05:00,790 --> 01:04:59,690 where they won't be ridiculed so I you 1214 01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:00,800 know 1215 01:05:05,140 --> 01:05:02,810 look at you look at what they're trying 1216 01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:05,150 to do when you know what whether they've 1217 01:05:11,380 --> 01:05:09,290 gotten you know individual agendas you 1218 01:05:13,050 --> 01:05:11,390 know being from intelligence backgrounds 1219 01:05:18,790 --> 01:05:13,060 you know that's open to interpretation 1220 01:05:21,940 --> 01:05:18,800 but you know I've owned the country 1221 01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:21,950 where there was an interview that John 1222 01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:25,250 Green land of the black hole car had 1223 01:05:32,020 --> 01:05:28,370 recently acquired an engineer and was on 1224 01:05:34,660 --> 01:05:32,030 that you know as you know yourself 1225 01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:34,670 John's been very critical with Lin's 1226 01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:38,330 involvement and last year the Pentagon 1227 01:05:42,100 --> 01:05:39,890 Connor went back on their initial 1228 01:05:45,070 --> 01:05:42,110 statement about a check where they 1229 01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:45,080 claimed that eight then naturally 1230 01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:48,490 investigate UFOs or you AP's and 1231 01:05:57,340 --> 01:05:53,410 Alessandro have no involvement you know 1232 01:05:59,800 --> 01:05:57,350 for various reasons is not someone he 1233 01:06:00,880 --> 01:05:59,810 makes himself accessible to the UFO 1234 01:06:03,370 --> 01:06:00,890 community 1235 01:06:05,620 --> 01:06:03,380 I understand these reasons why he's 1236 01:06:10,990 --> 01:06:05,630 touched on man that you know they don't 1237 01:06:12,700 --> 01:06:11,000 want to they don't want differing 1238 01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:12,710 opinions from what they're trying to 1239 01:06:18,550 --> 01:06:15,770 concentrate that laptop because you know 1240 01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:18,560 what there's so many opinions to what 1241 01:06:25,930 --> 01:06:24,050 this problem could be but I think it's 1242 01:06:30,310 --> 01:06:25,940 important suspect and what they're 1243 01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:30,320 focusing on and you know the tagline 1244 01:06:37,620 --> 01:06:32,770 things for being if this is a national 1245 01:06:40,570 --> 01:06:37,630 defense issue and it's a threat to when 1246 01:06:44,410 --> 01:06:40,580 you know the United States of America 1247 01:06:48,580 --> 01:06:44,420 and all over the world so did the 1248 01:06:50,890 --> 01:06:48,590 interview with John Green Wang he 1249 01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:50,900 finally got the Rosenbergs fake and 1250 01:06:55,810 --> 01:06:53,210 leave those on say I chose speaking you 1251 01:06:58,270 --> 01:06:55,820 simply because you asked me I never 1252 01:07:01,210 --> 01:06:58,280 turned down the Cynthia Rockets clarify 1253 01:07:03,850 --> 01:07:01,220 or provide my perception I'm not 1254 01:07:07,330 --> 01:07:03,860 interested in social media drama or 1255 01:07:10,090 --> 01:07:07,340 artificially manufactured acts and so I 1256 01:07:14,210 --> 01:07:10,100 usually stay quiet if I add something 1257 01:07:16,730 --> 01:07:14,220 productive to say then goes on to say 1258 01:07:19,460 --> 01:07:16,740 gave the Pentagon ample time to deepen 1259 01:07:22,099 --> 01:07:19,470 flight now response and given them the 1260 01:07:25,370 --> 01:07:22,109 benefit of the doubt that it is function 1261 01:07:28,099 --> 01:07:25,380 over palace unfortunately I no longer 1262 01:07:31,310 --> 01:07:28,109 feel this is necessarily a case and 1263 01:07:32,599 --> 01:07:31,320 therefore it is incumbent upon me to set 1264 01:07:35,450 --> 01:07:32,609 the record straight 1265 01:07:37,849 --> 01:07:35,460 I'm also alright but I still have a 1266 01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:37,859 claimant I don't want the Pentagon 1267 01:07:43,700 --> 01:07:40,890 taking any primitive that measures to 1268 01:07:47,990 --> 01:07:43,710 risk my clearance or our ongoing efforts 1269 01:07:49,849 --> 01:07:48,000 regarding the see our ad a I have my 1270 01:07:52,310 --> 01:07:49,859 clearance fluttered barely on and I 1271 01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:52,320 don't want that being used as leverage 1272 01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:54,810 to keep the quiet but if there's a 1273 01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:57,090 possibility they could still trying to 1274 01:08:03,530 --> 01:07:59,280 move my clearance and an order to try 1275 01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:03,540 and further discredit me so it goes this 1276 01:08:10,220 --> 01:08:06,000 interview is very telling it goes on to 1277 01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:10,230 say judge judge on basically asked him 1278 01:08:15,410 --> 01:08:12,000 to set the record straight 1279 01:08:17,990 --> 01:08:15,420 as regards to his involvement and what's 1280 01:08:21,050 --> 01:08:18,000 wrong was that typically with their 1281 01:08:22,849 --> 01:08:21,060 nature so who goes on to say is the 1282 01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:22,859 senior ranking person and the eighty 1283 01:08:28,329 --> 01:08:26,130 program I was ultimately responsible for 1284 01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:28,339 ensuring the efficient and effective 1285 01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:31,290 operations of the overall effort and 1286 01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:33,810 whether in fairness Ryan's work was 1287 01:08:37,729 --> 01:08:36,330 formed by the upstanding men of women we 1288 01:08:40,970 --> 01:08:37,739 have working in the program 1289 01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:40,980 my job was primarily to fend off the 1290 01:08:45,950 --> 01:08:43,170 distractions so the rest of the team 1291 01:08:48,499 --> 01:08:45,960 could do their job in essence my job is 1292 01:08:50,289 --> 01:08:48,509 to catch the proverbial bullets or are 1293 01:08:53,570 --> 01:08:50,299 folks who do their jobs without 1294 01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:53,580 disruption not an unusual role for 1295 01:08:58,880 --> 01:08:56,130 senior person in any program to assume 1296 01:09:04,220 --> 01:08:58,890 this also includes fighting for 1297 01:09:07,789 --> 01:09:04,230 resources support and personnel so John 1298 01:09:10,599 --> 01:09:07,799 goes on to say that he's pointed out on 1299 01:09:12,490 --> 01:09:10,609 being this occasions that little water 1300 01:09:16,039 --> 01:09:12,500 reservations 1301 01:09:21,289 --> 01:09:16,049 accept a later partially in UFO program 1302 01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:21,299 and you know that changed in May 2009 1303 01:09:24,530 --> 01:09:24,000 team and the New York Post published the 1304 01:09:26,599 --> 01:09:24,540 Pentagon 1305 01:09:31,579 --> 01:09:26,609 nation then it didn't beats for the UI 1306 01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:31,589 pays fast forward to December 2019 just 1307 01:09:36,770 --> 01:09:35,040 last year and a pentium statement that 1308 01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:36,780 was released for John and the white 1309 01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:40,530 walls and they they basically rescinded 1310 01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:43,290 everything where the women say neighbor 1311 01:09:51,710 --> 01:09:48,330 a tip all AUSA when you ap related said 1312 01:09:54,890 --> 01:09:51,720 pentagon spokesperson and Susan golf the 1313 01:09:57,620 --> 01:09:54,900 purpose of HF was to investigate foreign 1314 01:10:00,590 --> 01:09:57,630 advanced aerospace weapon system 1315 01:10:03,050 --> 01:10:00,600 applications with future technology 1316 01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:03,060 projections over the next forty years 1317 01:10:10,850 --> 01:10:06,480 and to create a center of expertise on 1318 01:10:12,290 --> 01:10:10,860 advanced aerospace technology so we must 1319 01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:12,300 for say there was a lot of confusion 1320 01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:14,250 after that statement and there was a lot 1321 01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:18,330 of people calling you know commonly 1322 01:10:25,220 --> 01:10:20,850 while in and then in some sense rightly 1323 01:10:28,580 --> 01:10:25,230 so so no one was on those response that 1324 01:10:32,870 --> 01:10:28,590 was it was not about advanced aircraft 1325 01:10:34,850 --> 01:10:32,880 it was ambient about UFOs you AP's there 1326 01:10:38,330 --> 01:10:34,860 is additional information that clearly 1327 01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:38,340 indicates a tips focus being you ap I 1328 01:10:42,290 --> 01:10:40,770 don't think that info has been big 1329 01:10:45,770 --> 01:10:42,300 public just yet 1330 01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:45,780 I'm certain it is forthcoming there is 1331 01:10:53,660 --> 01:10:49,290 documented documentation that provides 1332 01:10:56,570 --> 01:10:53,670 no doubt as for what our focus was so 1333 01:10:59,150 --> 01:10:56,580 the interview I thought was very telling 1334 01:11:01,880 --> 01:10:59,160 and it goes on you know Lou goes on to 1335 01:11:04,790 --> 01:11:01,890 say emotionally and you know when he's 1336 01:11:08,810 --> 01:11:04,800 reacting to this panickin statement 1337 01:11:10,940 --> 01:11:08,820 we're trying to discredit him and a tip 1338 01:11:12,700 --> 01:11:10,950 and Allsop and Lou goes on so 1339 01:11:15,860 --> 01:11:12,710 emotionally it was very disappointing 1340 01:11:18,260 --> 01:11:15,870 I'm not entirely surprised and there are 1341 01:11:21,020 --> 01:11:18,270 elements in the pants game now seriously 1342 01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:21,030 upset with me for breaking rank in their 1343 01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:24,330 eyes however efforts are underway to 1344 01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:27,360 isolate and expose these individuals and 1345 01:11:33,230 --> 01:11:29,850 hold them accountable I am very 1346 01:11:36,170 --> 01:11:33,240 optimistic that 2020 this will be 1347 01:11:37,780 --> 01:11:36,180 resolved I can't go into great detail on 1348 01:11:40,090 --> 01:11:37,790 our strategy only 1349 01:11:42,460 --> 01:11:40,100 because it has not been finalized yet I 1350 01:11:44,740 --> 01:11:42,470 think it's a vendetta by a few in the 1351 01:11:48,130 --> 01:11:44,750 pantheon but I think we all know the 1352 01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:48,140 real reason this year so when it goes on 1353 01:11:51,010 --> 01:11:49,010 to say Aloha 1354 01:11:53,740 --> 01:11:51,020 Alessandra would not elaborate on the 1355 01:11:56,290 --> 01:11:53,750 measures he's currently taken to cancer 1356 01:11:58,540 --> 01:11:56,300 back he did remind us all about the 1357 01:12:02,500 --> 01:11:58,550 truth that the American people know all 1358 01:12:05,410 --> 01:12:02,510 too well the US government wise and you 1359 01:12:07,780 --> 01:12:05,420 know we look for that in you know time 1360 01:12:10,210 --> 01:12:07,790 and time again that the US government 1361 01:12:16,780 --> 01:12:10,220 has been caught out numerous times 1362 01:12:18,550 --> 01:12:16,790 throughout history so you know what why 1363 01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:18,560 you ascertain from those and you know 1364 01:12:23,980 --> 01:12:20,570 the Pentagon have come out they've tried 1365 01:12:28,090 --> 01:12:23,990 to pour cold water on the the whole 1366 01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:28,100 later course up scenario that they were 1367 01:12:34,830 --> 01:12:30,850 looking into this type of phenomenon and 1368 01:12:38,020 --> 01:12:34,840 trying to discredit with Elizondo and 1369 01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:38,030 now you've got this that this interview 1370 01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:40,370 with Lou Elizondo basically saying well 1371 01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:42,320 there's people that are happy with the 1372 01:12:47,860 --> 01:12:45,530 fact they resigned from office where you 1373 01:12:49,930 --> 01:12:47,870 know he's spoken on there I think it was 1374 01:12:52,150 --> 01:12:49,940 the show when identified when he says he 1375 01:12:58,120 --> 01:12:52,160 wasn't satisfied but the efforts they're 1376 01:13:00,490 --> 01:12:58,130 going to in looking into this so my gut 1377 01:13:01,630 --> 01:13:00,500 feeling is that there's a lot more to 1378 01:13:04,450 --> 01:13:01,640 this than meets the eye 1379 01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:04,460 obviously you know these documents think 1380 01:13:08,740 --> 01:13:07,040 when to fruition this year then 1381 01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:08,750 hopefully that clears up moons 1382 01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:11,410 involvement with a Turk and all SAP and 1383 01:13:19,180 --> 01:13:14,090 that these programs were actively 1384 01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:19,190 looking to you APs and UFOs so you know 1385 01:13:27,130 --> 01:13:21,530 there's a lot more information to come 1386 01:13:29,470 --> 01:13:27,140 but I tend to I tend to believe that you 1387 01:13:32,350 --> 01:13:29,480 know lose tell the truth and of course 1388 01:13:34,780 --> 01:13:32,360 you know we've been here before you know 1389 01:13:39,370 --> 01:13:34,790 the UFO community he's no stranger to 1390 01:13:41,620 --> 01:13:39,380 being metal you know you are I think it 1391 01:13:44,500 --> 01:13:41,630 was Bill Maher that you know came out 1392 01:13:46,330 --> 01:13:44,510 and you know it was right to prove that 1393 01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:46,340 they you know really sad disinformation 1394 01:13:51,700 --> 01:13:49,280 so you put out to the UFO community 1395 01:13:55,060 --> 01:13:51,710 so you know I understand people's cats 1396 01:13:58,630 --> 01:13:55,070 ISM you know it's important to look at 1397 01:14:02,260 --> 01:13:58,640 both sides of the coin but you know you 1398 01:14:04,630 --> 01:14:02,270 have to look what the longer and T GSA 1399 01:14:07,930 --> 01:14:04,640 of achieve in a relatively short space 1400 01:14:09,940 --> 01:14:07,940 of time you know for bonds are about 1401 01:14:12,310 --> 01:14:09,950 words you know as you know yourself the 1402 01:14:14,770 --> 01:14:12,320 you know subject to you fold you in the 1403 01:14:17,260 --> 01:14:14,780 year I found community you know we've 1404 01:14:20,290 --> 01:14:17,270 been chasing its tail for years and 1405 01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:20,300 years and you know it's the same cases 1406 01:14:25,810 --> 01:14:24,290 going on on and on you know they're 1407 01:14:28,060 --> 01:14:25,820 still talking about things like 1408 01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:28,070 Rendlesham forest and the incident that 1409 01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:30,800 happened there in 1980 and this is 1410 01:14:37,450 --> 01:14:34,250 thirty nine years on so people are still 1411 01:14:39,730 --> 01:14:37,460 going over the same old ground while all 1412 01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:39,740 this over stocks going on the background 1413 01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:46,010 and you look if they say the word 1414 01:14:53,380 --> 01:14:49,930 fast-track a subject on ok they 1415 01:14:59,590 --> 01:14:53,390 rebranded it new way paid and I believe 1416 01:15:01,900 --> 01:14:59,600 the reason for me new AP is so it's it 1417 01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:01,910 hasn't got the stigma of the UFO word 1418 01:15:08,860 --> 01:15:05,770 and of course when you dealing with 1419 01:15:12,250 --> 01:15:08,870 Congress and your beef and these people 1420 01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:12,260 I I suppose you want to get away from 1421 01:15:19,030 --> 01:15:15,530 that whole stigma and you know was a 1422 01:15:21,820 --> 01:15:19,040 touch from the reasons you know you UFOs 1423 01:15:23,500 --> 01:15:21,830 as a subject and this phenomenon hasn't 1424 01:15:25,570 --> 01:15:23,510 been there seen greatly by mainstream 1425 01:15:28,570 --> 01:15:25,580 media in the past you know and it's 1426 01:15:32,340 --> 01:15:28,580 always been you know camera like a dirty 1427 01:15:35,380 --> 01:15:32,350 little secret and you know we've been 1428 01:15:37,690 --> 01:15:35,390 all sort of been they'd have to be kind 1429 01:15:39,490 --> 01:15:37,700 of crazies you know the venal you know 1430 01:15:42,970 --> 01:15:39,500 we've got mental health issues or 1431 01:15:45,340 --> 01:15:42,980 whatnot so you know we understand the 1432 01:15:47,860 --> 01:15:45,350 reasons for their in that but you know 1433 01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:47,870 you if I was to be having this 1434 01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:50,330 conversation with you say ten years ago 1435 01:15:58,960 --> 01:15:53,450 when you tell me we'd be at this point 1436 01:16:02,980 --> 01:15:58,970 in 2020 you know I'd like you out the 1437 01:16:06,250 --> 01:16:02,990 building but you know here we are and 1438 01:16:08,230 --> 01:16:06,260 what the future holds for TDS I you know 1439 01:16:11,410 --> 01:16:08,240 I know they've got an entertainment side 1440 01:16:12,940 --> 01:16:11,420 in the release of books and I think 1441 01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:12,950 there's a new series and commissioned 1442 01:16:19,180 --> 01:16:15,170 upon identified which will call onto our 1443 01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:19,190 screens this year so I understand that 1444 01:16:26,100 --> 01:16:22,490 side of it but then you know you look at 1445 01:16:29,260 --> 01:16:26,110 the other side of what TGA is doing and 1446 01:16:32,350 --> 01:16:29,270 you know they just created the album 1447 01:16:36,100 --> 01:16:32,360 research product and a lot of statement 1448 01:16:38,470 --> 01:16:36,110 now pong from TGS Ali's website and it 1449 01:16:41,650 --> 01:16:38,480 goes on to say from time to time various 1450 01:16:44,460 --> 01:16:41,660 sources of collecting material samples 1451 01:16:47,910 --> 01:16:44,470 reporters who become the revamped 1452 01:16:50,110 --> 01:16:47,920 aerospace vehicles of unknown origin 1453 01:16:53,100 --> 01:16:50,120 popularly known is you a pink 1454 01:16:56,140 --> 01:16:53,110 unidentified aerial phenomenon or UFOs 1455 01:17:00,420 --> 01:16:56,150 those sources include private citizens 1456 01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:00,430 or an aerospace investigatory committees 1457 01:17:06,610 --> 01:17:03,010 aerospace operators and government 1458 01:17:09,010 --> 01:17:06,620 associations as being materials have 1459 01:17:12,550 --> 01:17:09,020 come come to light they can be made 1460 01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:12,560 available for inspection are they going 1461 01:17:16,900 --> 01:17:14,210 to say given the potential significance 1462 01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:16,910 and such findings through the Stars 1463 01:17:22,660 --> 01:17:19,730 Academy is made a Tier one priority to 1464 01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:22,670 use its resources to subject these 1465 01:17:28,830 --> 01:17:25,090 materials detailed and rigorous 1466 01:17:33,250 --> 01:17:28,840 scientific evaluation whenever feasible 1467 01:17:36,190 --> 01:17:33,260 as soon as T TSA Academy is notified the 1468 01:17:38,140 --> 01:17:36,200 materials unavailable a former effort 1469 01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:38,150 will be made to document their origin 1470 01:17:42,610 --> 01:17:40,370 and credibility followed by the 1471 01:17:45,460 --> 01:17:42,620 establishment of change of customer 1472 01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:45,470 custody procedures and ownership 1473 01:17:50,230 --> 01:17:48,650 protocols in addition to reviewing these 1474 01:17:53,410 --> 01:17:50,240 materials for their potential 1475 01:17:55,450 --> 01:17:53,420 significance and the habitants of exotic 1476 01:17:58,810 --> 01:17:55,460 origin the analysis will evaluate 1477 01:18:01,360 --> 01:17:58,820 materials or sort to characteristics as 1478 01:18:04,690 --> 01:18:01,370 exceptional strength light weight build 1479 01:18:07,660 --> 01:18:04,700 an alien usual advanced properties that 1480 01:18:09,490 --> 01:18:07,670 potentially could contribute the 1481 01:18:12,730 --> 01:18:09,500 developments of exciting new 1482 01:18:16,460 --> 01:18:12,740 technologies in the future as a first 1483 01:18:19,510 --> 01:18:16,470 step T GSA and such establish 1484 01:18:22,460 --> 01:18:19,520 contract with earth tech international a 1485 01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:22,470 well-respected research think-tank in 1486 01:18:27,860 --> 01:18:25,530 Austin Texas to evaluate the properties 1487 01:18:32,300 --> 01:18:27,870 are the available materials under the 1488 01:18:34,910 --> 01:18:32,310 leadership of dr. Haley putter a former 1489 01:18:37,940 --> 01:18:34,920 senior advisor in subcontractor to the 1490 01:18:41,140 --> 01:18:37,950 Pentagon's a tech program and current 1491 01:18:43,910 --> 01:18:41,150 vice president of technology for TGS a 1492 01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:43,920 attack as well positions had up this 1493 01:18:50,660 --> 01:18:48,330 materials research plan so I think 1494 01:18:53,180 --> 01:18:50,670 they're doing lots of good stuff and you 1495 01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:53,190 know what I don't know if you agree with 1496 01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:56,610 this if everybody has ignored things 1497 01:19:01,970 --> 01:18:59,280 that go bump in the night or lights in 1498 01:19:05,630 --> 01:19:01,980 the sky and all sudden those are sort of 1499 01:19:07,610 --> 01:19:05,640 being legitimized this has been when you 1500 01:19:12,670 --> 01:19:07,620 look at it pretty much three years 1501 01:19:15,770 --> 01:19:12,680 things push this to you know they're the 1502 01:19:18,500 --> 01:19:15,780 top of the food chain really and they 1503 01:19:22,130 --> 01:19:18,510 put this out there and regularly I don't 1504 01:19:23,890 --> 01:19:22,140 think a week goes by now I don't see one 1505 01:19:27,110 --> 01:19:23,900 under that you know the mainstream 1506 01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:27,120 website a story that's running on our 1507 01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:29,730 grater that you know the limiting 1508 01:19:36,350 --> 01:19:33,690 countering detect at UFO or you know 1509 01:19:42,710 --> 01:19:36,360 commander flavor or something this has 1510 01:19:46,190 --> 01:19:42,720 created so much so much interest I think 1511 01:19:51,050 --> 01:19:46,200 it's only healthy and a you know it's 1512 01:19:52,790 --> 01:19:51,060 attracting a lot of people's and a lot 1513 01:19:57,410 --> 01:19:52,800 of people's attention to probably one 1514 01:20:00,110 --> 01:19:57,420 was not a subject with the same kind of 1515 01:20:02,090 --> 01:20:00,120 ideas what they do now because the way 1516 01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:02,100 this was talked about you know it was 1517 01:20:06,710 --> 01:20:04,800 really cure but if you walked into this 1518 01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:06,720 yeah where it wasn't something you could 1519 01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:09,330 talk about with your friends you know 1520 01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:12,330 research was pretty much privately done 1521 01:20:17,810 --> 01:20:15,330 because people were scared to to come 1522 01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:17,820 out there that that you know I love this 1523 01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:20,730 stuff those going on and you know if you 1524 01:20:25,580 --> 01:20:23,130 thought about or there's there's all of 1525 01:20:28,100 --> 01:20:25,590 a sudden these things being declassified 1526 01:20:29,950 --> 01:20:28,110 these documents this these organizations 1527 01:20:32,740 --> 01:20:29,960 these projects these individuals 1528 01:20:35,350 --> 01:20:32,750 who have PhDs behind their name all 1529 01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:35,360 sudden yeah it's it's mainstream and 1530 01:20:40,209 --> 01:20:38,810 it's great your friends can't say oh you 1531 01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:40,219 know the friends that you speak I speak 1532 01:20:45,150 --> 01:20:43,130 to they say oh yeah I saw that on I saw 1533 01:20:50,440 --> 01:20:45,160 that on the news 1534 01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:50,450 absolutely yeah yeah you know that 1535 01:20:55,750 --> 01:20:52,250 you're talking about the least 1536 01:21:00,610 --> 01:20:55,760 statements and you know one but no more 1537 01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:00,620 important as Jay works which in January 1538 01:21:06,850 --> 01:21:03,530 of last year and the Defense 1539 01:21:09,940 --> 01:21:06,860 Intelligence Agency released a less than 1540 01:21:12,550 --> 01:21:09,950 38 research titles pursued by the 1541 01:21:15,670 --> 01:21:12,560 program English subs for a Freedom of 1542 01:21:19,030 --> 01:21:15,680 Information Act which was put in by 1543 01:21:24,790 --> 01:21:19,040 Stephen Africa direct through Federation 1544 01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:24,800 of American scientists and the topics 1545 01:21:29,350 --> 01:21:27,530 were traversable world Knowles stargates 1546 01:21:32,440 --> 01:21:29,360 and negative energy and it was led by 1547 01:21:35,050 --> 01:21:32,450 dr. Larry Davis who was obviously 1548 01:21:40,390 --> 01:21:35,060 involved with their nets which we 1549 01:21:42,190 --> 01:21:40,400 alluded to earlier and then you know 1550 01:21:45,430 --> 01:21:42,200 they looked into things such as 1551 01:21:47,500 --> 01:21:45,440 invisibility cloak and I believe this 1552 01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:47,510 was headed by German scientist by the 1553 01:21:51,580 --> 01:21:48,650 name hawk-like 1554 01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:51,590 art it was a professor at the Weizmann 1555 01:21:59,140 --> 01:21:55,250 Institute of Science in Israel and wine 1556 01:22:03,160 --> 01:21:59,150 art research potentially theoretical 1557 01:22:05,890 --> 01:22:03,170 quantum objects and I believe in 2006 1558 01:22:09,670 --> 01:22:05,900 his work on theoretically creating an 1559 01:22:12,790 --> 01:22:09,680 invisible hole in space inside which 1560 01:22:16,300 --> 01:22:12,800 objects can be hidden was sighted by 1561 01:22:18,970 --> 01:22:16,310 nature yet another title warp-drive dark 1562 01:22:23,620 --> 01:22:18,980 energy and the manipulation of extra 1563 01:22:26,700 --> 01:22:23,630 dimensions so you've got all this stuff 1564 01:22:30,370 --> 01:22:26,710 going on in the background and you know 1565 01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:30,380 this is again for me further evidence 1566 01:22:36,100 --> 01:22:33,410 that the soft which we've been 1567 01:22:40,090 --> 01:22:36,110 discussing this evening on this podcast 1568 01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:40,100 is stuff that they have been taken 1569 01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:42,290 seriously that has been being looked 1570 01:22:46,330 --> 01:22:43,610 into 1571 01:22:48,310 --> 01:22:46,340 whether that's a consequence and you 1572 01:22:50,290 --> 01:22:48,320 know we goes back to the premise of the 1573 01:22:54,310 --> 01:22:50,300 events that happened on skinwalker ranch 1574 01:22:57,669 --> 01:22:54,320 and you know I think that's quite 1575 01:22:59,890 --> 01:22:57,679 incredible don't you yeah there's 1576 01:23:02,530 --> 01:22:59,900 there's so much going on it's magic 1577 01:23:05,109 --> 01:23:02,540 really with these these secret machines 1578 01:23:08,830 --> 01:23:05,119 that Tom DeLonge speaks of in his books 1579 01:23:11,740 --> 01:23:08,840 and the you know the parallels that we 1580 01:23:14,140 --> 01:23:11,750 have in with other places and on the 1581 01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:14,150 planet I think there's a quest going on 1582 01:23:19,510 --> 01:23:17,690 and there's a very you know there's a 1583 01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:19,520 presence there's a presence that didn't 1584 01:23:25,530 --> 01:23:21,770 used to be there and with the 1585 01:23:27,189 --> 01:23:25,540 realization of a SAP a tip and 1586 01:23:28,750 --> 01:23:27,199 particular areas 1587 01:23:31,060 --> 01:23:28,760 I wanted to appreciate you coming on and 1588 01:23:34,899 --> 01:23:31,070 how can our listeners stay in touch with 1589 01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:34,909 what you've got going on and happening 1590 01:23:40,990 --> 01:23:35,920 in the future 1591 01:23:45,370 --> 01:23:41,000 yes now you mentioned Jason graves 1592 01:23:48,609 --> 01:23:45,380 earlier we're actually in the process on 1593 01:23:52,510 --> 01:23:48,619 whether it's in its infancy of looking 1594 01:23:55,330 --> 01:23:52,520 to producing a documentary and rich 1595 01:23:57,760 --> 01:23:55,340 you should detail a lot of their 1596 01:24:00,189 --> 01:23:57,770 historical UFO sightings but god I mean 1597 01:24:04,180 --> 01:24:00,199 are back in the woods where I live now 1598 01:24:05,950 --> 01:24:04,190 which is North Wales you know what I say 1599 01:24:10,060 --> 01:24:05,960 it's in its infancy there's a lot of 1600 01:24:12,399 --> 01:24:10,070 work to be done and there are pieces of 1601 01:24:16,149 --> 01:24:12,409 the jigsaw which is scattered around in 1602 01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:16,159 the moment and which over time will be 1603 01:24:22,300 --> 01:24:18,650 put into place you know something people 1604 01:24:26,260 --> 01:24:22,310 were enjoying as well so that's going on 1605 01:24:29,020 --> 01:24:26,270 I think in the next year or so obviously 1606 01:24:32,950 --> 01:24:29,030 I'm gonna still be keeping an eye on you 1607 01:24:34,209 --> 01:24:32,960 know things with a tip and ttsi and 1608 01:24:36,819 --> 01:24:34,219 checking out a lot of the stuff that's 1609 01:24:39,970 --> 01:24:36,829 going on there and then you know I've 1610 01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:39,980 got my website I am which is a Facebook 1611 01:24:45,189 --> 01:24:41,570 page called 1612 01:24:47,709 --> 01:24:45,199 you forward you've got UK so feel free 1613 01:24:49,270 --> 01:24:47,719 to contact me there and finally one 1614 01:24:51,069 --> 01:24:49,280 wants to forget discussion about 1615 01:24:53,500 --> 01:24:51,079 anything any of this but we've talked 1616 01:24:57,250 --> 01:24:53,510 about tonight you know I'd be happy to 1617 01:24:59,890 --> 01:24:57,260 do so and so yeah 1618 01:25:02,440 --> 01:24:59,900 we'll see what the future holds for you 1619 01:25:05,380 --> 01:25:02,450 know for the time being I think it's 1620 01:25:08,170 --> 01:25:05,390 important to kind of watch how this all 1621 01:25:10,330 --> 01:25:08,180 plays out I think there's a lot more 1622 01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:10,340 information that would might possibly 1623 01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:15,170 see this year and then again you know 1624 01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:16,970 many things you know 1625 01:25:23,380 --> 01:25:20,000 jigsaw pieces for this are later all sat 1626 01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:23,390 and TTS anything you know hopefully 1627 01:25:26,890 --> 01:25:25,130 there's going to be more information 1628 01:25:29,440 --> 01:25:26,900 it's going to be forthcoming in Toulouse 1629 01:25:31,510 --> 01:25:29,450 for that I couldn't agree more so happy 1630 01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:31,520 that we finally made this podcast happen 1631 01:25:37,330 --> 01:25:34,610 and I hope to I hope to have you on soon 1632 01:25:42,010 --> 01:25:37,340 again yeah definitely magnets for the 1633 01:25:48,130 --> 01:25:42,020 project thank you bye-bye well there you 1634 01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:48,140 have it let the bell ring let the angels 1635 01:25:55,660 --> 01:25:51,890 sing we got Spivey in the background 1636 01:26:01,120 --> 01:25:55,670 doing strange objects from Chiefs 1637 01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:01,130 hideout is the name of the album it's 1638 01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:02,810 worth every penny this is the most 1639 01:26:08,770 --> 01:26:05,690 killer album I remember first receiving 1640 01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:08,780 this album in the you and a basin of 1641 01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:12,650 Utah and it said skinwalker music on the 1642 01:26:17,710 --> 01:26:14,930 outside it's excellent 1643 01:26:20,950 --> 01:26:17,720 Chiefs hideout Spivey you can find it on 1644 01:26:24,010 --> 01:26:20,960 iTunes and anywhere fine music is sold 1645 01:26:27,370 --> 01:26:24,020 also check 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